Poll - Sherwood - got rid

[mrfuse]

They're right that the problems run deep at Villa, that's obvious, BUT that does not mean Sherwood isn't doing a terrible job. This is the problem that football pundits seem to have, they can't or won't identify that it's two seperate issues. Sherwood can't organise a team and can't settle on how he wants his team to play and I really don't see how anyone can launch a defence of him on that front. If you couple that with the statements he's been making to the media he really does not deserve anymore time.

Totally agree with your comments and While I don't like to constantly make comparisons, we don't have to look far to see how a poorly run club can still produce decent results with the right Manager in charge.

[Coseley Villa]

https://www.umaxit.com/index.php/columns/desperate-times-call-for-tim-sherwood

From February !!!!!!!!

[PeterWithe]

Looks like Stan is upset because he was overlooked for the Director of Football post in favour of someone he thought less qualified than himself.

I wouldn't put him back on the payroll either, once was enough.

[Dr Butler]

Coventry City messiah Joseph Cole has his ten pence worth...

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-midfielder-joe-cole-10292658

UTV
The Doc

[Tony Erdington]

Looks like Stan is upset because he was overlooked for the Director of Football post in favour of someone he thought less qualified than himself.

I wouldn't put him back on the payroll either, once was enough.

I get what your saying, and when he was a footballer, He was in the same league as Randolf, "problems". but although his a bit precious he does some times make sense, as far as siding with Tim (no) but people listen to Stan so possibly having a celebrity getting stuck into the issues at VP will piss randy Tom off enough to know theyve got to do something. LIKE FUCK OFF.

UTV Peace and love

[adrenachrome]

Yahooo! Sport

EXCLUSIVE: JERMAINE JENAS: Aston Villa will get relegated but it won’t be Tim Sherwood’s fault

Yahoo Sport's global football ambassador wonders why 'arrogant' Villa expect to do better than last season when they have sold their best players

By Jermaine Jenas
3 hours ago


Tim Sherwood apparently has one game left to save his job after Aston Villa’s latest defeat, at Chelsea on Saturday, but I don’t understand why the club’s board is surprised at the position they are in.

From what I hear the players at Villa like Sherwood as a manager, so he hasn’t lost the group. Villa are where they deserve to be in the table simply based on the squad they have. When I was at QPR and we got promoted to the Premier League, we went into that season knowing we would be in a relegation fight. I don't understand why Villa are not in that mindset, or what gives them the arrogance to think otherwise.

My first dealings with Sherwood were when he was doing his coaching badges at Spurs. He wanted to become a manager and you could tell he had the credentials for it. I was immediately impressed by the way he tried to reward players who he thought were working hard in training. He was the one person who always stood up to Harry Redknapp and told him who he thought should and shouldn't be playing.

Harry surrounded himself with a lot of people to get different points of view, but not many others were prepared to go against the grain. Tim took an interest in me from an early stage, especially when I went through a period of not playing. He instilled a belief in me that I had lost a little bit in myself, and after working with him in the Under-21s I got back into the first team and was playing in the Champions League.

Sherwood is an emotional manager and that can bring huge benefits. When Villa got to the Cup final that was largely due to his passion, energy and belief in players like Jack Grealish, Fabian Delph and Christian Benteke, who all improved after Sherwood arrived. He’s proved that when he works with good players, he can make good things happen.

The only time I’ve seen Sherwood’s emotional side have a negative effect is when Tottenham lost a game at Chelsea and he dug out a few people publically and questioned some of his players’ “mentality”. That’s about as bad as it gets for a player because it implies you are weak, and that rant upset some of Tottenham’s squad. But he’s still developing and learning as a manager – this is only his second job, and his first one didn’t last long - and I think he learned a lot from that.

Not that he won’t still have those types of discussions with players to their faces. There was an incident at Tottenham, at a time where he wasn’t even manager, when he was watching a game against Chelsea from the stands and Benoit Assou-Ekotto did something that severely annoyed him. We were in the dressing room after the match, having lost, and suddenly Sherwood came flying through the door.

I can’t remember what Benny had done exactly, but Sherwood was angrily letting him know what he thought about it. I was taken aback because he wasn’t the assistant manager or manager; he was mainly brought it to observe. But he showed he was prepared to say the things that others maybe weren’t. He’s argumentative, but sometimes it’s good to have an argument.

You won’t ever take that emotion out of him. That’s why he throws his jacket around and screams and kicks. One of the things that used to frustrate him was how simple the game really is, and how complicated people make it. He’s a massive believer in working harder than your opponent, which was also what his game was about as a player. He would get frustrated if players weren’t prepared to do a bit of extra work in training, and especially if that then translated onto the pitch.

I remember at half-time of a reserve match at Spurs, he was so angry he literally lined up every player, and one by one told them what they were doing wrong. I’ve never seen that before – a manager going through every single player and just annihilating them. But at the end of it was a positive message – let’s improve. It was refreshing – it’s a different type of management to what we’ve become used to. Everyone expects managers to be so prim and proper and media trained, but I prefer the passionate approach that Tim has, and I’d like to see it more.

I think he did a decent job at Spurs overall, but the one thing he didn't get to do as a manager - until the last transfer window - was buy players. Villa’s summer recruitment hasn’t gone to plan, but the question is how many of those signings were Sherwood’s.

He was interested in buying established Premier League players like Aaron Lennon, Andros Townsend, Emmanuel Adebayor and Esteban Cambiasso, but instead they have signed a lot of young players from the French league. They are using something akin to the 'Moneyball' system led by a guy called Paddy Reilly. When I was at Villa Park in 2011, he was the one showing us DVDs of the opposition and giving us a rundown of the players we'd be facing.

But he's been massively promoted and now seems to have a hand in most major decisions made at the club, including transfer dealings. I understand it’s him who suggests players to the board, and many of those are the ones who have been signed. When you take into account the sales of Benteke and Delph, Villa’s net spend over the summer was just £7m, which is a pittance in Premier League terms. They were a bad team last season, who did well to avoid relegation, and now they are a worse team. They’ve lost their two best players. So what did Villa’s board expect to happen?

I'm not sure Sherwood has been given what he wanted in terms of transfer targets, and now he is being asked to turn water into wine. That’s why I think Villa will get relegated, with or without Tim Sherwood.

[badminton]

One of the things that used to frustrate him was how simple the game really is, and how complicated people make it.

https://streamable.com/jwz6?t=1.0

[Duncan Shaw]

Wow, that's a hell of an article fron Jenas sticking up for his mate.  I reckon Tim almost dictated that.

[curiousorange]

The moment I agree with Jermaine Jenas' opinion on anything at Villa that's not the physio suite or the quality of the bacon sandwiches in the Bodymoor canteen is the moment I know I've had a breakdown.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Wow, that's a hell of an article fron Jenas sticking up for his mate.  I reckon Tim almost dictated that.

That last paragraph is yet another example of Tim vs Paddy. Oh dear, this is getting really messy.

[Monty]

Jenas as good as admits that he's just Sherwood's mate and is sticking up for him. He also admits that the infamous 'blaming the players' rant after that Chelsea game was the worst thing he could have done, but fails to mention that Sherwood does this all the time - but no matter, because from what he hears, he hasn't 'lost the group'.

And what a lot he hears! It's all Paddy Reilly's fault, Sherwood didn't get his players...could there be any mystery about who Jenas 'hears' this from? Maybe the same source who thinks so highly of Tim Sherwood. Whoever it is, if they're a Villa insider it's a disgrace how much more they care about Sherwood's reputation than about Aston Villa and its togetherness and unity. I wonder who it is.

Also, I hate this 'the game's really simple and people overcomplicate' fuckbollocks. Ever heard Mourinho say that? Or Klopp? Or Guardiola? It's not that the more complicated things are the better - it's that, if you think the game is oh so simple and you have all the answers, it means you feel you don't need to think any more about it, and you don't think you need to improve. It's the position of arrogant fucknut, and I'm sick of them down the Villa.

[andyh]

Jenas is a ******.

Not a single word about Sherwood having any technical awareness or accumen.
Not a word about understanding tactics asing them to win games.

Just a lot of shite about a bloke who shouts a lot and 'has passion'.

Welcome to 1970's football, Sherwood style.
     

[Rudy Can't Fail]

So which of these players didn't Sherwood want?

Vertout?

'I'm really pleased Jordan decided to choose Aston Villa over the other options he had and opt to continue his development with us,'
'He is only 22 years old but he is vastly experienced for someone that age'
'He has played over 140 games in Ligue 1 and is a really exciting young player.
'I know he is very highly rated over in France so we are delighted to get this deal over the line.'

Amavi?

Sherwood told the Birmingham Mail: "It’s someone we’ve been tracking for a long time."
“He was voted the best U21 player in Europe (by whoscored.com).
“He’s dynamic, gets forward, has a good delivery, and is a decent size for a left-back.
'He’s quick and aggressive and will be suited to the Premier League. He plays at a high tempo and French football is quite close to the English league so that will help.
“It will give us competition and will be a decent addition"

Gueye?
"What Idrissa gives you is 100% every time he plays," Sherwood said.
"He is wholehearted, he suits the Premier League and he loves the pace of the game.
"He is very aggressive, he gets at people, wants to tackle and wants to get on the football.
"He is brave in and out of possession - and that's something you want to see.
"We are really pleased with him. He has been outstanding."

Ayew?
“I’m really pleased to bring Jordan to the football club. He is a fantastic young player who is perfectly suited to the Premier League.”

Adama?
“I went to Barcelona and spoke to the representatives,”
“We made a huge effort to bring him to the club because I’ve known him for a couple of years."
“He is someone I have been tracking for a long time."

Lescott?
"Joleon is a player who has great Premier League experience and he'll be a huge help to the younger members of our squad,"
"I said before I didn't think someone of that experience would become available [for Villa], someone who ticks that 'experienced' box that would help out the group. If he became available then we would jump on him."

Rudy?
“I’ve known about Rudy since he was at Cardiff City and he is a player I’ve always admired."
“His goalscoring ratio last season was fantastic and he is someone who certainly knows how to find the back of the net."
“He’s a big, physical striker but he can play and I’m pleased to welcome him to the football club.”

[David_Nab]

Adebayour god told him not to join us
Cambiasso decided to go to Greece

So that leaves us Lennon and Townsend who would have cost us millions in fee's and wages and neither is consistent but more importantly would either or both of them made much differance to where we are now !!

These players that like Sherwood as alluded to in that article  , are they the ones who arn't maverick enough or the ones who pass sideways and don't listen to his instructions ...

[PeterWithesShin]

So which of these players didn't Sherwood want?

Vertout?

'I'm really pleased Jordan decided to choose Aston Villa over the other options he had and opt to continue his development with us,'
'He is only 22 years old but he is vastly experienced for someone that age'
'He has played over 140 games in Ligue 1 and is a really exciting young player.
'I know he is very highly rated over in France so we are delighted to get this deal over the line.'

Amavi?

Sherwood told the Birmingham Mail: "It’s someone we’ve been tracking for a long time."
“He was voted the best U21 player in Europe (by whoscored.com).
“He’s dynamic, gets forward, has a good delivery, and is a decent size for a left-back.
'He’s quick and aggressive and will be suited to the Premier League. He plays at a high tempo and French football is quite close to the English league so that will help.
“It will give us competition and will be a decent addition"

Gueye?
"What Idrissa gives you is 100% every time he plays," Sherwood said.
"He is wholehearted, he suits the Premier League and he loves the pace of the game.
"He is very aggressive, he gets at people, wants to tackle and wants to get on the football.
"He is brave in and out of possession - and that's something you want to see.
"We are really pleased with him. He has been outstanding."

Ayew?
“I’m really pleased to bring Jordan to the football club. He is a fantastic young player who is perfectly suited to the Premier League.”

Adama?
“I went to Barcelona and spoke to the representatives,”
“We made a huge effort to bring him to the club because I’ve known him for a couple of years."
“He is someone I have been tracking for a long time."

Lescott?
"Joleon is a player who has great Premier League experience and he'll be a huge help to the younger members of our squad,"
"I said before I didn't think someone of that experience would become available [for Villa], someone who ticks that 'experienced' box that would help out the group. If he became available then we would jump on him."

Rudy?
“I’ve known about Rudy since he was at Cardiff City and he is a player I’ve always admired."
“His goalscoring ratio last season was fantastic and he is someone who certainly knows how to find the back of the net."
“He’s a big, physical striker but he can play and I’m pleased to welcome him to the football club.”

Wouldn't it be lovely if a journalist actually did their job and pointed this out to him?