Aston Villa vs. West Brom Post-Debacle Thread

[Smirker]

Get rid of Sinclair? How ridiculous.

[PeterWithesShin]

I don't think he'd be playing so many if he could field his strongest 11. Clark has only played 4 games, and we got our 4 points in those, Sinclair has been worth his starts and a lot on here want him playing Sanchez. Same with Westwood. And I reckon Clark would play better if folks could spell his name correctly *winky*

[Steve67]

I actually wish we'd give Clark another bash in the centre of midfield, just to give us some aggression.

[villadelph]

Sherwood hasn't done what he said he was going to do and that is clear out the dross who have dragged the club into the relegation mire, season after season. In fact, he's done the very opposite and despite signing 10 new players in the summer is still playing the backbone of the side who almost took us down last year. Ladies and Gentleman, I give you Guzan, Bacuna, Clarke, Westwood, Sanchez, Gabby and Sinclair. If you include Grealish and Gil, although that would be a bit harsh on them both,  that would make a total of 9  old stagers from the dreadful side of last season. Guzan, Westwood, Gabby and Clark have been members of losing Villasides for 3 or 4 seasons. What on earth are any of them still in the side for? Serial losers and inadequate Premiership players the lot of them. No crystal ball required, read the book. This lot have got form.

It seems to me that Sherwood has to back his judgement and play the players he brought to the club in the summer alongside some of the promising young players coming through. Grealish and Gil are the only two of last season's squad I would include. The rest? Nowhere near a first team sheet again unless we get a flu epidemic in the club. Goodbye, Guzan, Bacuna, Gabby, Sinclair, Clarke, Sanchez, Baker etc etc.

Has to be a troll.

[Dave]

Guzan, Westwood, Gabby and Clark have been members of losing Villasides for 3 or 4 seasons. What on earth are any of them still in the side for? Serial losers and inadequate Premiership players the lot of them. No crystal ball required, read the book. This lot have got form.

A bit like Benteke and Delph.

[KRS]

I would agree that theres too many players from previous seasons still playing but we do need some experience whilst the new players settle in. I'd imagine a few more will be shifted next summer, but there's also still Crespo and Ilori to come into the team along with Gueye and Traore so his first choice XI will look a lot different to what it is now I'm sure. Still have hopes for Veretout and we can't really write off Ayew just yet.

[Ads]

The set up was all wrong. We were far too open, too disorganised, too slow and critical Stoke out numbered us in the midfield.

Stoke's back four played pretty narrow, with their midfield widemen tucking in. They would condense the space between the midfield and back four and really congest the central areas. We played at such a slow tempo, with no movement or width that it was easy all game.

There was space outwide, yet we didn't exploit it. Stoke lack any sort of pace, yet how many times did we turn their defence?

Once they'd taken the lead it was obvious that we would lose. The second half was typical Pulis anti-football. 30 seconds to take a throw in. 45 seconds for a corner. Cynical fouls, slowing the game down, 7 men congesting the back line. And us, clueless to do anything about it.

Long balls to Gabby. Why? Taking our one effective player in Gil off. Why? No width. Why? Bringing on Gestede and putting one cross into the box for him. Why?

Gestede doesn't look up to it at the moment, but you've got to play to his strengths to at least give him a chance. Amavi weak in the tackle and barely getting forward, but the biggest culprit in the team is Ashley fucking Westwood.

He is utter shite. I could do his job. No I actually could. I am full of neat passes and I neve give the ball away when I play either. He is the biggest problem with us. You want to know why Sanchez is fucked after 70 minutes, it's covering for this dimlow.

Time and again second half at Leicester their midfield ran off him. It happened all day today. He has no ability to game manage, he cannot pick a man up, they just drift by. When he does spot one, he's so flat footed that a tectonic plate could out run him. He's weak in the tackle and when you're outnumbered 3-2, it's no wonder Sanchez struggles, even if he does look clumsy, as to say we had two centrally either today or at Leicester is stretching credulity. Have a League 1 player in our midfield is part of the problem for why we are consistently poor.

I cannot believe Veretout on one leg would have less to offer.

I am a positive chap, but my patience has been exhausted. We are in for a season of struggle. Forget Man United, drawing at home to relegation certainties like Sunderland, getting beat by Stoke mk II suggests another season scrapping the barrel.

Sherwood is naive beyond belief. Today was the worst sort of McLiesh/Houiller/Lambert garbage. I am sick and tired of it and I am not sure whether we will stay up. Gana looks very good. Light years ahead of any of the pish masquerading as midfielders today. Traore looks to be of unbelieveable quality. They may make a difference, but we are woefully short up front, cannot defend and persist with lower league standard crap like Westwood and Guzan, then we will struggle.

[pauliewalnuts]

Stoke?

[Ads]

Did we not play Stoke today?

[OzVilla]

Stoke?

An attempt at sarcasm maybe?

[Pat McMahon]

Anyone who tries to find positives in that pile of cunting c*** fucking shit can respectfully fuck the fuck off

I think you must have taken a dictation from me taylorsworkrate, because that is exactly what I said at the end of the game.

[Pat McMahon]

The first job of any defender is to defend.

Amavi completely shit out of the challenge in the build up to their goal.

It's alright him getting up and down the wing - but his defending is very poor at times.

Baggies deserved it

Agreed - I was incandescent at his pussying  out of that challenge. He just had to put in a meaty foot and hoof it 40 metres.

A French mate of mine sent me a message tonight reminding me of his comments in July - good going forward but remember he is a converted midfielder and not a great defender.

[villadelph]

I would agree that theres too many players from previous seasons still playing but we do need some experience whilst the new players settle in. I'd imagine a few more will be shifted next summer, but there's also still Crespo and Ilori to come into the team along with Gueye and Traore so his first choice XI will look a lot different to what it is now I'm sure. Still have hopes for Veretout and we can't really write off Ayew just yet.

Are Crespo and Ilori Premier League quality at this point in their careers, respectively?

[KRS]

Never seen them play so absolutely no idea if they're good enough, but you'd like to think they were if we've bothered to sign them (even if Ilori is on loan initially). Comments from TS suggest that Crespo is nearly ready but Ilori could take a while yet.

I guess when we sign so many players in one window then its to be expected that a few wont make the grade so only time will tell on a few of these signing...Gueye, Traore, Amavi, Richards, Lescott and Sinclair make it about 50% success rate so far, but the jury is still out on the other 50% (pretty sure Gestede and possibly Ayew wont make the grade, but there's still hope for Veretout, Crespo, Illori and Bunn).

[Comrade Blitz]

What the fuck is Bilbo Bagginsbonlahor still doing in the side?