Aston Villa vs Sunderland Post-Match Thread

[citizenDJ]

So you think we're not going to win the league?

Bullshit.

[paul_e]

The people saying Gestede is not the answer after two games in which he has started are ridiculous. He held up the ball and distributed it pretty well and got himself in scoring positions. He needed to do better with the end product, but every striker has better and worse shots. People on here need to relax.

I think Gestede should be an option from the bench rather than starting right now but I'm in no way writing him off, I just think he needs to learn how to fit in with the club and I think the confidence bashing he'll take from games like today won't help him do that.

[rob_bridge]

The way I see it you don't win league titles by drawing at home to Sunderland, the last time we won it, Sunderland were routed 4-0 at Villa Park.

 Youre right we may just miss out this year.

[Percy McCarthy]

Considering Sunderland at home is a must-win game, I want to know how not beating them affected Everton last season. They couldn't even draw with them. What unavoidable fate befell them as a result of their failure to win this absolutely imperative game?

What's that? Fuck all? It didn't mean a FUCKING THING?

[villadelph]

I agree, the future is brighter than ever but you don't think playing the worst team in the league at home is must win?

No. What is the consequence of not winning that game? Are we going to get relegated because we didn't win it?

If it's a "must-win" game, then it's a game-that-you-must-win. As in there are significant implications to not winning it. It's a phrase you hear a lot at the end of the season because there are clear and defined repercussions from not doing so. There aren't any from today.

Unless I'm wrong and you can tell us the direct consequences from not winning today?

Its a collective process!

For Christ's sake. Can you be that daft to honestly believe that starting strong and finishing strong are what it takes to compete in this league?

With your logic it's okay to make a mistake on the first ten minutes of a game because there is plenty of time to redeem it. Come on man. If we were to go down on the last day it's not because we didn't win the final game. What absolutely absurd logic.

Like I said, go hunting before you are hungry.

[villadelph]

The people saying Gestede is not the answer after two games in which he has started are ridiculous. He held up the ball and distributed it pretty well and got himself in scoring positions. He needed to do better with the end product, but every striker has better and worse shots. People on here need to relax.

I think Gestede should be an option from the bench rather than starting right now but I'm in no way writing him off, I just think he needs to learn how to fit in with the club and I think the confidence bashing he'll take from games like today won't help him do that.

For what it's worth, it took Traore 5 minutes to prove his worth and show his class. He's a kid and Rudy is certainly not.

Edit: I guess Rudy did win us Bournemouth.

[mr woo]

The people saying Gestede is not the answer after two games in which he has started are ridiculous. He held up the ball and distributed it pretty well and got himself in scoring positions. He needed to do better with the end product, but every striker has better and worse shots. People on here need to relax.

I'd never taken notice of or even seen Gestede play, until Blackburn played the Bindippers in the FA cup last year. He was absolutely fantastic. Probably the best player on the pitch, he won everything in the air, bullied their defence and frightened them to death.

When the rumour went round that we were buying him I did a bit more research. As you do.

7 goals in 50 games in France, 7 goals in 50 odd games for Cardiff? Cardiff sold him to Blackburn for 200K a year ago? Now 26 years old?   All facts that dont quite add up with the apparent world beater I'd seen.

And now it all makes sense.

Footballs all about opinions mate, but if you think he held up the ball and distributed it pretty well and got himself in scoring positions, you were watching from a different view point from me. If anything I reckon Blackburn are sniggering into their bank books right now.

[Percy McCarthy]

absolutely absurd logic.

A handy and accurate summary of all your posts on this thread. Thanks.

[CJ]

Oh, and a couple of asides - apart from giving Gil a yellow instead of a penalty, and leaving it so late to show Pantilimon a yellow for time wasting, is there any other referee that would allow a team to persistently foul so much without showing more cards? And great to see Sir Brian there today

[villadelph]

absolutely absurd logic.

A handy and accurate summary of all your posts on this thread. Thanks.

 

I thought Tim was doing a good job of ridding our losing mentality.

[Dave]

With your logic it's okay to make a mistake on the first ten minutes of a game because there is plenty of time to redeem it. Come on man. If we were to go down on the last day it's not because we didn't win the final game. What absolutely absurd logic.

Well yes, if you can't understand things like "words" or "common sense" then it would be seen as absurd. Nobody has said that drawing at home to Sunderland is a good thing, or something to aspire to, it's just not the hellish catastrophe that you're painting it as.

Would you prefer to go one goal down after ten minutes (to pick up your example above) or after 92 minutes?

Surely you can see that the first, while annoying (like today) is better than the latter?  And that they're not exactly the same as each other.

[kippaxvilla2]

My real take on it is that it's a disappointing result but compared to the utter dirge under lambet this is great football and you can see signs of something developing.  Plus I have just looked at the table and it doesn't look bad especially as spuds southampton and a few others have yet to win a game.

[villadelph]

With your logic it's okay to make a mistake on the first ten minutes of a game because there is plenty of time to redeem it. Come on man. If we were to go down on the last day it's not because we didn't win the final game. What absolutely absurd logic.

Well yes, if you can't understand things like words then it would be seen as absurd. Nobody has said that drawing at home to Sunderland is something to aspire to, it's just not the hellish catastrophe that you're painting it as.

Would you prefer to go one goal down after ten minutes (to pick up your example above) or after 92 minutes?

Surely you can see that the first, while annoying (like today) is better than the latter?  And that they're not exactly the same as each other.

For the fifth time man, I'm not painting this as a catastrophe. I said we played well, I said we have a bright future, I said our midfield was great.

To go back to your analogy, would I rather give up a 10th or 92nd minute goal.. it doesn't matter, it's the same result. That is what I am concerned with. Get the result.

I believe we should be thumping the worst team in the league in Sunderland at home no matter what month it is. A team that couldn't put up a fight against Leicester and Norwich.

What do you not get?

[paul_e]

I agree, the future is brighter than ever but you don't think playing the worst team in the league at home is must win?

No. What is the consequence of not winning that game? Are we going to get relegated because we didn't win it?

If it's a "must-win" game, then it's a game-that-you-must-win. As in there are significant implications to not winning it. It's a phrase you hear a lot at the end of the season because there are clear and defined repercussions from not doing so. There aren't any from today.

Unless I'm wrong and you can tell us the direct consequences from not winning today?

Its a collective process!

For Christ's sake. Can you be that daft to honestly believe that starting strong and finishing strong are what it takes to compete in this league?

With your logic it's okay to make a mistake on the first ten minutes of a game because there is plenty of time to redeem it. Come on man. If we were to go down on the last day it's not because we didn't win the final game. What absolutely absurd logic.

Like I said, go hunting before you are hungry.

Yes, it's a collective process, not getting 3 points at home to Sunderland therefore isn't as important as you're making it out to be.  if we get 50 points across the entire season then I'm happy, you sound like you're going to be disappointed if we don't win the league.

As for the mistake thing lets turn it about, would you rather go 1-0 down in the first minute or the last?

The problem is that you used the term must-win, if we win 10 in a row from now will anyone care that we dropped 2 points here?  Where as if it's the last game of the season and a win means we get 4th/get europe/stay up it matters.  Yes the points are worth but 1 is must win the other is want to win, that's the difference that you're refusing to see.

[Dave]

With your logic it's okay to make a mistake on the first ten minutes of a game because there is plenty of time to redeem it. Come on man. If we were to go down on the last day it's not because we didn't win the final game. What absolutely absurd logic.

Well yes, if you can't understand things like words then it would be seen as absurd. Nobody has said that drawing at home to Sunderland is something to aspire to, it's just not the hellish catastrophe that you're painting it as.

Would you prefer to go one goal down after ten minutes (to pick up your example above) or after 92 minutes?

Surely you can see that the first, while annoying (like today) is better than the latter?  And that they're not exactly the same as each other.

For the fifth time man, I'm not painting this as a catastrophe. I said we played well, I said we have a bright future, I said our midfield was great.

So, given the above, today wasn't a "must-win game"? If was a game that we would hope, even expect to win? And that the fact that we didn't is a bit of a pisser, but in the grand scheme of things probably not going to result in our relegation? And that with our great midfield and bright future that you're so happy with we'll pick up points elsewhere?

Any of that you disagree with?