Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on May 19, 2022, 02:35:47 PMQuote from: PaulWinch again on May 19, 2022, 02:13:13 PMFor me you are either supportive or you’re against gay rights. There’s no middle ground, and again he absolutely has a choice. He’s exercised that choice and I personally think he’s a twat for the stance he’s taken.Spot on, Paul. The same goes for racism. There’s no middle ground unless you're a twat, obviously.Wow that shows up how modern society has become so polarised - and some could say that is why there is so much hate now on both sides of any argument."If you do not agree with me then YOU are wrong"
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 19, 2022, 02:13:13 PMFor me you are either supportive or you’re against gay rights. There’s no middle ground, and again he absolutely has a choice. He’s exercised that choice and I personally think he’s a twat for the stance he’s taken.Spot on, Paul. The same goes for racism. There’s no middle ground unless you're a twat, obviously.
For me you are either supportive or you’re against gay rights. There’s no middle ground, and again he absolutely has a choice. He’s exercised that choice and I personally think he’s a twat for the stance he’s taken.
People want to make a stand yet will probably watch the World Cup. For me , we should not be taking part in it , the hypocrisy stinks and if England REALLY wanted to they could refuse to play in the tournament. But elite football is all about money and greed
Quote from: chrisw1 on May 19, 2022, 02:04:58 PMI want to be careful how I word this, so to start off I will say I am a supporter of the rainbow campaign and Villa and Proud. I thought the rainbow laces campaign was brilliant and bought a few pairs myself. I also have a Villa and Proud badge which I was happy to wear to games (before I misplaced it)With that established, my initial reaction was that it was really poor by Gueye. But we have to be careful here, all he has chosen to do is to not wear something. So far as I am aware he has not made any descriminatatory statements or taken any descriminatatory actions. The whole point of the rainbow campaign (and the kneeling etc) is to raise awareness and show support for the causes in question. The fact that there are those of us who postively want to do this is surely what it is all about? If it then becomes an enforced uniform or gesture, then in my view it loses some of that impact. So whilst we can all read between the lines here, the truth is all he has chosen to do is not support something. I wouldn't be particularly happy if it was a Villa player, but equally I think we should be cautious about demanding that punishments are dished out etc. People must be allowed to have their own thoughts and opinions so long as they don't overstep a line and encourage hate. I don't think what Gueye has done here (or not done) crosses that line. Now if he goes beyond this and starts making homophobic statements etc, then that woud be a different matter entirely. That over simplifies it though, if it was choosing not to attend an optional event organised by the club then that would be one thing but by refusing to play what he's actually done is refuse to do his job.I don't think the law or french football authorities can or should do anything but I'd be surprised if PSG aren't very annoyed with him.
I want to be careful how I word this, so to start off I will say I am a supporter of the rainbow campaign and Villa and Proud. I thought the rainbow laces campaign was brilliant and bought a few pairs myself. I also have a Villa and Proud badge which I was happy to wear to games (before I misplaced it)With that established, my initial reaction was that it was really poor by Gueye. But we have to be careful here, all he has chosen to do is to not wear something. So far as I am aware he has not made any descriminatatory statements or taken any descriminatatory actions. The whole point of the rainbow campaign (and the kneeling etc) is to raise awareness and show support for the causes in question. The fact that there are those of us who postively want to do this is surely what it is all about? If it then becomes an enforced uniform or gesture, then in my view it loses some of that impact. So whilst we can all read between the lines here, the truth is all he has chosen to do is not support something. I wouldn't be particularly happy if it was a Villa player, but equally I think we should be cautious about demanding that punishments are dished out etc. People must be allowed to have their own thoughts and opinions so long as they don't overstep a line and encourage hate. I don't think what Gueye has done here (or not done) crosses that line. Now if he goes beyond this and starts making homophobic statements etc, then that woud be a different matter entirely.
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 19, 2022, 01:22:20 PMExactly that - he can make that choice and face the consequences for that choice. Personally I think he’s a twat.I agree with Paul, and also think he's a twat.
Exactly that - he can make that choice and face the consequences for that choice. Personally I think he’s a twat.
Quote from: paul_e on May 19, 2022, 02:37:57 PMQuote from: chrisw1 on May 19, 2022, 02:04:58 PMI want to be careful how I word this, so to start off I will say I am a supporter of the rainbow campaign and Villa and Proud. I thought the rainbow laces campaign was brilliant and bought a few pairs myself. I also have a Villa and Proud badge which I was happy to wear to games (before I misplaced it)With that established, my initial reaction was that it was really poor by Gueye. But we have to be careful here, all he has chosen to do is to not wear something. So far as I am aware he has not made any descriminatatory statements or taken any descriminatatory actions. The whole point of the rainbow campaign (and the kneeling etc) is to raise awareness and show support for the causes in question. The fact that there are those of us who postively want to do this is surely what it is all about? If it then becomes an enforced uniform or gesture, then in my view it loses some of that impact. So whilst we can all read between the lines here, the truth is all he has chosen to do is not support something. I wouldn't be particularly happy if it was a Villa player, but equally I think we should be cautious about demanding that punishments are dished out etc. People must be allowed to have their own thoughts and opinions so long as they don't overstep a line and encourage hate. I don't think what Gueye has done here (or not done) crosses that line. Now if he goes beyond this and starts making homophobic statements etc, then that woud be a different matter entirely. That over simplifies it though, if it was choosing not to attend an optional event organised by the club then that would be one thing but by refusing to play what he's actually done is refuse to do his job.I don't think the law or french football authorities can or should do anything but I'd be surprised if PSG aren't very annoyed with him.Is anyone else wondering about the inherent contradiction in PSG (with their ownership) supporting such a campaign? Bit like Newcastle's proposed new away kit having the rainbow logo on.
Quote from: chrisw1 on May 19, 2022, 02:04:58 PMI want to be careful how I word this, so to start off I will say I am a supporter of the rainbow campaign and Villa and Proud. I thought the rainbow laces campaign was brilliant and bought a few pairs myself. I also have a Villa and Proud badge which I was happy to wear to games (before I misplaced it)With that established, my initial reaction was that it was really poor by Gueye. But we have to be careful here, all he has chosen to do is to not wear something. So far as I am aware he has not made any descriminatatory statements or taken any descriminatatory actions. The whole point of the rainbow campaign (and the kneeling etc) is to raise awareness and show support for the causes in question. The fact that there are those of us who postively want to do this is surely what it is all about? If it then becomes an enforced uniform or gesture, then in my view it loses some of that impact. So whilst we can all read between the lines here, the truth is all he has chosen to do is not support something. I wouldn't be particularly happy if it was a Villa player, but equally I think we should be cautious about demanding that punishments are dished out etc. People must be allowed to have their own thoughts and opinions so long as they don't overstep a line and encourage hate. I don't think what Gueye has done here (or not done) crosses that line. Now if he goes beyond this and starts making homophobic statements etc, then that woud be a different matter entirely. My thoughts and point exactly - he has done nothing wrongNo one criticised Zaha for standing alone on Saturday when every other player took they knee.I think he is a twat of a man but i would not have a go at him for not doing it as that is his right and no one else should have a go at him either