Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 24, 2015, 01:18:15 PMQuote from: hoyle87 on February 24, 2015, 01:05:45 PMQuote from: taylorsworkrate on February 24, 2015, 11:46:54 AMQuote from: hoyle87 on February 24, 2015, 09:50:56 AMIn all fairness, it's a bit much to expect somebody serving burgers and pies to receive more than the minimum wage.This isn't having a go at you, but this is a ingrained attitude towards retail staff that many people have.It's part of the reason why many people treat retail staff like dirt and its such a horrible job to do.There is certainly no excuse for treating people on minimum wage with any less respect than those in other professions.I used to work in a pub a few years ago, so only got minimum wage. However, I didn't feel I was entitled to more for pouring pints and wiping tables. My answer was to get qualifications that would mean I justified a higher salary.I think you're missing the point a bit. Villa, and all other Premier League clubs, can afford to pay all their employees a decent wage purely because it's the right thing to do. Paying say, 600 staff an extra £1 an hour, for 5 hours a day for 35 weeks of the year would cost about £100K a year. That's probably what we're paying Darren Bent every fortnight to play for somebody else.
Quote from: hoyle87 on February 24, 2015, 01:05:45 PMQuote from: taylorsworkrate on February 24, 2015, 11:46:54 AMQuote from: hoyle87 on February 24, 2015, 09:50:56 AMIn all fairness, it's a bit much to expect somebody serving burgers and pies to receive more than the minimum wage.This isn't having a go at you, but this is a ingrained attitude towards retail staff that many people have.It's part of the reason why many people treat retail staff like dirt and its such a horrible job to do.There is certainly no excuse for treating people on minimum wage with any less respect than those in other professions.I used to work in a pub a few years ago, so only got minimum wage. However, I didn't feel I was entitled to more for pouring pints and wiping tables. My answer was to get qualifications that would mean I justified a higher salary.I think you're missing the point a bit. Villa, and all other Premier League clubs, can afford to pay all their employees a decent wage purely because it's the right thing to do.
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on February 24, 2015, 11:46:54 AMQuote from: hoyle87 on February 24, 2015, 09:50:56 AMIn all fairness, it's a bit much to expect somebody serving burgers and pies to receive more than the minimum wage.This isn't having a go at you, but this is a ingrained attitude towards retail staff that many people have.It's part of the reason why many people treat retail staff like dirt and its such a horrible job to do.There is certainly no excuse for treating people on minimum wage with any less respect than those in other professions.I used to work in a pub a few years ago, so only got minimum wage. However, I didn't feel I was entitled to more for pouring pints and wiping tables. My answer was to get qualifications that would mean I justified a higher salary.
Quote from: hoyle87 on February 24, 2015, 09:50:56 AMIn all fairness, it's a bit much to expect somebody serving burgers and pies to receive more than the minimum wage.This isn't having a go at you, but this is a ingrained attitude towards retail staff that many people have.It's part of the reason why many people treat retail staff like dirt and its such a horrible job to do.
In all fairness, it's a bit much to expect somebody serving burgers and pies to receive more than the minimum wage.
Quote from: Risso on February 24, 2015, 02:55:27 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on February 24, 2015, 01:18:15 PMQuote from: hoyle87 on February 24, 2015, 01:05:45 PMQuote from: taylorsworkrate on February 24, 2015, 11:46:54 AMQuote from: hoyle87 on February 24, 2015, 09:50:56 AMIn all fairness, it's a bit much to expect somebody serving burgers and pies to receive more than the minimum wage.This isn't having a go at you, but this is a ingrained attitude towards retail staff that many people have.It's part of the reason why many people treat retail staff like dirt and its such a horrible job to do.There is certainly no excuse for treating people on minimum wage with any less respect than those in other professions.I used to work in a pub a few years ago, so only got minimum wage. However, I didn't feel I was entitled to more for pouring pints and wiping tables. My answer was to get qualifications that would mean I justified a higher salary.I think you're missing the point a bit. Villa, and all other Premier League clubs, can afford to pay all their employees a decent wage purely because it's the right thing to do. Paying say, 600 staff an extra £1 an hour, for 5 hours a day for 35 weeks of the year would cost about £100K a year. That's probably what we're paying Darren Bent every fortnight to play for somebody else.In France that would actually cost the employer about £220k a year because of the ginormous employer contributions.
Quote from: Bad English on February 25, 2015, 08:18:59 AMQuote from: Risso on February 24, 2015, 02:55:27 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on February 24, 2015, 01:18:15 PMQuote from: hoyle87 on February 24, 2015, 01:05:45 PMQuote from: taylorsworkrate on February 24, 2015, 11:46:54 AMQuote from: hoyle87 on February 24, 2015, 09:50:56 AMIn all fairness, it's a bit much to expect somebody serving burgers and pies to receive more than the minimum wage.This isn't having a go at you, but this is a ingrained attitude towards retail staff that many people have.It's part of the reason why many people treat retail staff like dirt and its such a horrible job to do.There is certainly no excuse for treating people on minimum wage with any less respect than those in other professions.I used to work in a pub a few years ago, so only got minimum wage. However, I didn't feel I was entitled to more for pouring pints and wiping tables. My answer was to get qualifications that would mean I justified a higher salary.I think you're missing the point a bit. Villa, and all other Premier League clubs, can afford to pay all their employees a decent wage purely because it's the right thing to do. Paying say, 600 staff an extra £1 an hour, for 5 hours a day for 35 weeks of the year would cost about £100K a year. That's probably what we're paying Darren Bent every fortnight to play for somebody else.In France that would actually cost the employer about £220k a year because of the ginormous employer contributions. They'd only fritter it away on expensive cheese and foul cigarettes.
I would rather be swanning around in the mid-table of the Championship and treat our staff properly than in the Champions League and paying minimum wage.
Signed as well. Given all the excellent community work and "morally correct" way of doing business we've had in place for a long time now, it's disappointing to find we're hiding behind politics instead of doing what's right.