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Offline Dave Javu

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Re: Please email Tom Fox if you feel the current situation is unacceptable
« Reply #105 on: February 04, 2015, 12:31:26 AM »
Dear Mr Fox,

You're wasted in your current position.

We need you in the box.

Don't forget your boots on Saturday.

Your servant as ever,

Dave.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2015, 12:32:58 AM by Dave Javu »

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Re: Please email Tom Fox if you feel the current situation is unacceptable
« Reply #106 on: February 04, 2015, 12:42:58 AM »
Hi Foxy!
We're dancing into 1939.

Tally Ho!


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Re: Please email Tom Fox if you feel the current situation is unacceptable
« Reply #107 on: February 04, 2015, 12:52:48 AM »
My offering, for what it's worth...

Dear Mr Fox,

This is only the second time in my 45 years of supporting Aston Villa that I have been compelled to write to a senior executive at the club.  On the previous occasion - over a quarter of a century ago - the then Chairman, Mr Ellis, extended the courtesy of replying to my letter.  I trust that you will do likewise.


If I may begin with an observation.  A football club is an entity like very little else.  Yes, it is a business,  but it is also a historic institution embedded in the social infrastructure of the community whose name it bears and with an obligation to those who support it to offer something almost intangible: a peculiar mix of pride in the past and hope for the future.  It is this mix that was distilled into the "Proud History, Bright Future" strap-line that précised the early years of Mr Lerner's ownership.

The pride I have in my club's history will never diminish.  Our position as one of the architects of global professional football is secure for all time.  I am also pleased that the club now pays far more respect to its illustrious history than was done in the more recent past.  However, history can only count for so much.  Whilst still imbuing the pride element of the mix I detailed above, there is now a whole generation of supporters whose celebration of great triumphs is something that they can only do vicariously.  But to make matters worse, the other ingredient, the hope, has been poisoned and debased to the point that I rarely speak with a fellow fan who expresses anything but disillusionment or genuine fear for the club's immediate future.

Amongst us supporters there are many theories and hypotheses as to how the club has come to find itself in this situation, seemingly sleep-walking into certain relegation.  I have my own.  However, now is not the time for a post-mortem on the last five seasons or so.  Not least because the patient, whilst critical, is not yet dead.  Now is the time for decisive action from those of you with the power to do something to revive him.

It is obvious to me, as with anyone with a lifetime of watching football, that the current managerial and coaching set-up around the first team is simply not working.  That is the aspect that needs to be addressed and changed. Now.

Your recent interview with Pat Murphy on BBC Radio Five Live gave the impression that you are reluctant to make that change as there is no guarantee that it would improve the current situation.  That may indeed transpire to be true.  But a change now would do something else. It would give us supporters back that intangible: hope.  And it will be that hope that AVFC the business will need to extract every penny from if relegation is the outcome in May.


Yours sincerely,


Does imbue really drop the e when you go all gerund-ial on us? I should think about that carefully.

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Re: Please email Tom Fox if you feel the current situation is unacceptable
« Reply #108 on: February 04, 2015, 12:58:34 AM »
Breaks me 'art Tom.

Can I have a Bronx hat?

Aghhh goo on then.  Leave us yer name and number. 

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Re: Please email Tom Fox if you feel the current situation is unacceptable
« Reply #109 on: February 04, 2015, 01:03:28 AM »
Stop living in the 20th Century, Fox.


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Re: Please email Tom Fox if you feel the current situation is unacceptable
« Reply #110 on: February 04, 2015, 01:09:20 AM »
Might of already been posted somewhere but this guy has written a letter to Randy....

I've never done this before I don't think. I communicated with Randy after the QPR saying it looked like a replica of the 86/87 team. He answered and asked for more thoughts so I passed on the feedback of the many (and of the few as well)

I didn't mention that I'd done it but this time, as so many keep emailing, texting, facebooking, ringing or asking me at games, 'do something' or 'what can we do' I'll publish this communication sent today to Randy. I will not pass on answers, that isn't fair, or as some ask, his email details. I've got access because I got to slightly know him at the time of the takeover.

Hi Randy

I come in peace, without arrogance and pretty much without hope. I`ve actually been asked by so many 'DO SOMETHING FEAR` and although I don`t think I can do anything, I also feel a slight duty of care having been so vocal with regards to the previous owner and so supportive of your era up to but not including the last four woeful years. I can say as a fan of some time, I`ve never felt so bored or distanced. My first game was 1978. The lady behind me the other day said she had always promised to stop coming when it stopped being fun and said that is now. I`ve heard many say the 3rd division days were better than this because at least 'we` had some fight then. There is also an article on my site at the moment of a fan of 35 years saying that`s it, he`s done. He`s a top guy, raised a lot for Acorns etc etc. Many feel like mugs right now and then have to listen to Lambert`s post match musings on the way home from games.

I don`t, as you know, purport to represent everyone. I do however have the finger on the pulse of one the largest sites and for my sins have a presence within AVFC fan wise and the ability to contact you. I get it from both ends with fans these days, poor me boo hoo but that is the fact of it. Even my dad after Sunday said to me 'for goodness sake contact Randy and do something`. He also said a straight no to going to the FA Cup which despite being on tv and us season ticket holders having paid enough already for what we`ve seen, has gone up in price! Thing is, I`m there, I see it, I`m an easy one for people to spill their worries out to, some do it in a great way, some do it with a fury that misses the fact I make no decisions and I own nothing but a strong opinion and a website to express it!

There are some fans who support Lambert and blame you squarely for not backing him. I don`t buy the not backing, not to this level of inadequacy but it would be grossly unfair for me not to mention them. You`ll know in our interactions (they won`t!) that I try to be balanced and our former CEO will certain attest to the fact, as will some press, that when I give views, I often say this isn`t my personal view, this is the view of the majority. The view of the majority at the moment appears to be boredom, resignation, bewilderment and the suspicion that this manager is taking us down. Some say the fans need to just turn up and be the 12th man. Would you argue against me saying that`s exactly what we`ve done? The away fans are second to none, the home fans are quiet and bored but give them something to get behind and they are there straight away. And the chants have been v the manager, not against the team.

The view of the statistics is this manager is taking us down.

We were tenth after 23 games last year, -6 You will know this year we are 16th -19 which is the lowest in the league.

8 games no win. 6 with no goals (a new club record) Lowest scorers in all top leagues across Europe and yet we have your record signing striker booted out. Was he perfect? No. Could he score more than our top scorers who have 3? I`ll let you answer that. Is it all down to the players? Or is it down to the players not being managed? And just look at how many of the buys you`ve funded (albeit lower fees than we were used to seeing sign) are now out on their ears already. We changed to ineffective possession football, it is being laughed at by the press, some of the commentaries have been amazing 'the fans are booing, I wish I could join in to be honest` 'I can`t for the life of me see what Villa are trying to do with the ball` 'they aren`t moving forward` etc Possession is no good if you don`t get it forward and shoot. He used to play counter attacking football, v a team like Arsenal that would make perfect sense and got us a result last season. So why go from the one to the other, why on earth like other managers can`t he think to mix up and use different tactics? But then, when a manager can`t even manage his assistants I guess it is too much to ask for him to manage his team. We were a shambles yesterday and instead of taking any of the blame, he went straight for the defence. We lost the ball in midfield actually, Sanchez being the worst culprit, the defence were under massive pressure and if not for interventions from Clark and Richardson (a midfielder as full back with a full back on the bench and how many on loan? + Baker on the bench who plays fullback?) it would have been worse, not to mention them hitting the post.

The view of our capitulation and lack of direction this year despite the expectations from - I think at the time - the majority that we`d see major improvements this year is we are going down.

We are told by the manager our expectations don`t match the reality. That means not his fault, it is your and our fault. I can tell you for a 100% fact that the expectations of the great majority have NEVER been so low Mr Lerner. Please re-read that line. Not EVER have I thought 'we might be better being knocked out the FA Cup so we can concentrate on survival` but that is what I think now. It makes me feel sick.

At the most positive the view is that it will have to be three teams worse than us that keep us up. Again. 3 seasons in a row with him. One under Alex (if the narrative of what he did, to use Tom`s language, led to a sacking, why is as bad/worse not seen as the same narrative?)

A former Villa player, Keown is interesting (if this shows in the USA: www.bbc.co.uk/sport ) They all know we have the players, they all know we don`t have the right direction because of the manager. So many of the press, former players etc are saying it. As are long term Villa fans. I could give you hundreds of examples, I won`t, you`ll no doubt take my word for it.

Tom`s quotes last week, implying 'we know best` and saying fans are baying for blood but it`s a false narrative were arrogant, misguided and rude towards people who know far more about a) football b) Aston Villa c) the fans than him. I know you nudged him to meet me, he fixed a date in October (I hadn`t asked to meet but still managed to juggle my day, it would be at my expense and I`d have to come back and catch up on work), cancelled, kept it open and never came back for another appointment despite 'really really` wanting to meet me (his pa called the Friday before the Monday meeting, he didn`t). It`s a lack of respect and also mad not to meet fans who have the finger on the pulse. Didn`t have to be me there are others just as able, but as the General used to say, I`m honest, polite but don`t hold back on the views. 'You keep us on our toes` ... For clarity though, I wouldn`t go and meet him now, I have more self respect than that. He also totally mixed the messages you tried to give about the sale, you said we are up for sale and you`ll make no further comment, he said 'I don't think he's a motivated seller right now." For the love of God, at the very least we deserve some clarity. No comment was the right stance once it was put up for sale, it hasn`t been taken off the market so what is he saying here?!

Randy, I`ll stop there. I`m here if I`m needed, if not this will be my last communication this season, I`m not stalking you, I`m not dictating to you, but I am imploring you. If you and Tom really think you know better than all the football experts, the fans who are there week in week out and from the information that the results over the 3 years of Lambert then so be it.

Tom says it is a gamble to change mid season. How could the results possibly get worse? Seriously, we don`t win, we hardly draw, we don`t shoot, we hardly score. Yes, a new man might come in and find it too late, but more often than not in any job, a new manager comes in and you sit up straighter, you straighten your tie and you try to impress him. I realise with you being up for sale, unless that has changed and certainly Tom confused that picture which again is unfair to the fans, you perhaps don`t want to be or can`t be looking long term. However, there are people who could do better short term. Just look how impressive Gary McAllister was getting us out of trouble when Houllier became ill. He could do worse, that is just one name.

Rightly or wrongly, things are stale, the star striker Benteke looks like he needs managing (a boot somewhere to get him moving perhaps) etc etc etc.... This is a distressed, demotivated team. It could also be argued despite his bravado and the inability to ever take any blame at all in post match interviews that this is too much for Lambert who I know you consider a good man. Sometimes no matter how much you want to do well in a job, you simply can`t. If he hasn`t got the dignity to leave (or to be fair, if you want to look at it another way, if he is too dignified to quit!) maybe he should be put out of his misery.

I`m not saying, nor are many who are 'anti` the manager it is all down to him, however you can`t do much else other than what you have, made the Club available for sale. The manager could have done a hell of a lot more.

I realise this will be listened to by your good self and I thank you again for your time. I also sadly would certainly imagine with all due respect, it will be ignored. However, I can at least say to those telling / imploring / nagging me to do something, that I have done all I can and to the man who owns the Club and says he has the best interests of it at heart.

I`m going to publish this as a 'discharge` to those saying to do something. As always, and I don`t need to say this you know, I don`t and won`t ever publish responses other than 'yes, he read it`.

I hope all is good with you and yours. As you can tell from this message, I`m as shy and short on words as usual! I yearn for the days I used to email praise or when we met under far far more pleasant circumstances. The only thing I am looking forward to right now is corporate for Stoke, I've asked them to turn my seat around to face away from the pitch though!

Regards

Jonathan Fear


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Re: Please email Tom Fox if you feel the current situation is unacceptable
« Reply #111 on: February 04, 2015, 01:14:56 AM »
Don't worry guys The Fear is here if needed.
We are saved.

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Re: Please email Tom Fox if you feel the current situation is unacceptable
« Reply #112 on: February 04, 2015, 01:15:21 AM »
Remember, Tom, there is nothing to Fear except Fear itself.

HTH.

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Re: Please email Tom Fox if you feel the current situation is unacceptable
« Reply #113 on: February 04, 2015, 01:15:39 AM »
Never heard of him.

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Re: Please email Tom Fox if you feel the current situation is unacceptable
« Reply #114 on: February 04, 2015, 01:18:28 AM »
I am glad to hear
That The Fear is here
"If he is needed"
So much is clear

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Re: Please email Tom Fox if you feel the current situation is unacceptable
« Reply #115 on: February 04, 2015, 01:19:46 AM »
That's an awful lot of words to deliver the simple message 'I've met you, and I'm great'.

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Re: Please email Tom Fox if you feel the current situation is unacceptable
« Reply #116 on: February 04, 2015, 01:31:13 AM »
The late and very great Kurt Vonnegut once said of the late and very great Gore Vidal that the the latter "wanted an awful lot of credit for wearing a three piece suit". I think they later made up and became good friends.

What you may well ask, does this have to do with the price of sausages? Well, in this forum JF said of one Mac (Daddy Mac)  McColgan that he was "a piece of work", and I do not think they have ever made up.

Be that as it may, I think that the majority of this forum would agree with the substantive points made by JF.


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Re: Please email Tom Fox if you feel the current situation is unacceptable
« Reply #117 on: February 04, 2015, 01:40:44 AM »


Be that as it may, I think that the majority of this forum would agree with the substantive points made by JF.



I'm not sure, I got bored after the first paragraph and dropped off.

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Re: Please email Tom Fox if you feel the current situation is unacceptable
« Reply #118 on: February 04, 2015, 01:42:35 AM »
I think Fear's discharge stinks.

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Re: Please email Tom Fox if you feel the current situation is unacceptable
« Reply #119 on: February 04, 2015, 01:42:54 AM »
He does seem to subscribe to the inexplicable Darren Bent messianism which, I have to say, baffles me completely.

 


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