Burnley v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[OCD]

I really hope Lambert starts playing Cole and Grealish off Benteke with a third (probably Gabby over Weimann).

[Witton Warrior]

Do they qualify as superb when singing "we want Lambert out"?

interesting there were no Lambert out chants until the penalty went in, fact.

I can't quite work out whether you're an attention seeker, a nose or a plonker.

I suspect all three as they are far from mutually exclusive. Well, actually the first two are as you wouldn't want to draw attention to supporting that shower would you

Westley has an agenda/opinion he is backing to the hilt. that is his right - I don't agree with it but that is my agenda/opinion - I just wish he would answer the questions put to him - Are statistics facts Westley?

[passitsideways]

When was the last time we put any team to bed, that isn't our style, we score (sometimes) then for the rest of the game, whatever the score is sit deep and hope for the best.

Norwich 4-1 and the Sunderland 6-1 .

The Sunderland 6-1 game is easily the highlight of Lambert's reign. We played some good attacking football in the second part of Lambert's first season and then we've just gone backwards. We've bought very little attacking talent since then when it's been painfully obvious that it was needed, which had been becoming more and more obvious until the point that it's blindingly obvious. I hope Lambert isn't still pulling out that line about how many goals there are in the team.

To be honest the biggest criticism levelled at the team after his first season was they couldn't defend.

The way I see it is if we're consigned to complete mediocrity for now because of financial poverty, we may as well be exciting in doing so. I really wouldn't mind getting turned over 4-1 once every couple of months if it comes from showing proper attacking intent week-in week-out because really, theoretically we should be capable of creating plenty of opportunities against most of the teams in the lower half of the table

[Clark W Griswold]

We're entering into December and only 3 players have scored for us in the league this season. 2 before today. Another unbeleivable statistic to throw at the current regime/manager/players.

[Witton Warrior]

When was the last time we put any team to bed, that isn't our style, we score (sometimes) then for the rest of the game, whatever the score is sit deep and hope for the best.

Norwich 4-1 and the Sunderland 6-1 .

The Sunderland 6-1 game is easily the highlight of Lambert's reign. We played some good attacking football in the second part of Lambert's first season and then we've just gone backwards. We've bought very little attacking talent since then when it's been painfully obvious that it was needed, which had been becoming more and more obvious until the point that it's blindingly obvious. I hope Lambert isn't still pulling out that line about how many goals there are in the team.

To be honest the biggest criticism levelled at the team after his first season was they couldn't defend.

The way I see it is if we're consigned to complete mediocrity for now because of financial poverty, we may as well be exciting in doing so. I really wouldn't mind getting turned over 4-1 once every couple of months if it comes from showing proper attacking intent week-in week-out because really, theoretically we should be capable of creating plenty of opportunities against most of the teams in the lower half of the table

But this isn't even mediocrity - watch 90+ minutes of Aston Villa and tell me that is as good as mediocre and I will tell you what drugs you are taking = we are the worst Premiership club I have ever seen

[LTA]

I really hope Lambert starts playing Cole and Grealish off Benteke with a third (probably Gabby over Weimann).

I suspect Cole will miss Tuesday.

Just wish we could be more confident about him featuring.  His legs may have gone, but his vision and range of passing is far superior to anyone else in our midfield. 

[Gareth]

I have a different take on the second half, i don't think Lambert deliberately sends them out to defend the lead what happens is that Gabby and Weimanns work rate drops off and they stop closing down giving the opposition more room. Weimann in particular doesn't do enough, he expends a lot of energy for little result. Cole in the first half gave us a glimse of what a good footballer looks like, great control, good foot skills and a footballing brain, oh for a couple of younger versions.

You wonder if the useless bloke on the touch line sees this :-) for me he just yells 'retreat' for 15 minutes at half time.

[monkeyboy]

It was the middle of the night here in Australia, i was watching the rugby mainly but was flicking across now and then (90 mins of Villa these days is too depressing)

I was pretty pissed and thought we looked ok in the second half, then realised we were playing in white and then everything fell into place

Lambert please, please wake up this morning have look in the mirror and do the decent thing - you are embarrassing yourself and we are sleep walking towards relegation

Lerner should be banned from owning any other sporting club globally - the apathy i feel now towards the club i've followed all my life is shocking, i have nothing but respect for those who follow the team to places like Burnley, but frankly all of the fight, spirit and interest have left - proud history,bright future - thanks a bunch Randy!

[Witton Warrior]

I have a different take on the second half, i don't think Lambert deliberately sends them out to defend the lead what happens is that Gabby and Weimanns work rate drops off and they stop closing down giving the opposition more room. Weimann in particular doesn't do enough, he expends a lot of energy for little result. Cole in the first half gave us a glimse of what a good footballer looks like, great control, good foot skills and a footballing brain, oh for a couple of younger versions.

So if you can see this happens ROBBO and a lot of us would agree with you surely it is up to the Manager to sort it out. We have played exactly the same the whole season, it has not changed. The only time I am surprised is when mad stuff like
Bent coming on happens.

[joe_c]

I think we played a lot of good and inventive football today and not for the first time this season. But rather than it be cause for optimism it's actually a source of frustration for me that we see it so seldom. The ability appears to be there but the application from the coaching staff appears not to be.

[OzVilla]

I wonder what exactly Paul Lambert's definition of "excellent" is?

[tomd2103]

I have a different take on the second half, i don't think Lambert deliberately sends them out to defend the lead what happens is that Gabby and Weimanns work rate drops off and they stop closing down giving the opposition more room. Weimann in particular doesn't do enough, he expends a lot of energy for little result. Cole in the first half gave us a glimse of what a good footballer looks like, great control, good foot skills and a footballing brain, oh for a couple of younger versions.

So if you can see this happens ROBBO and a lot of us would agree with you surely it is up to the Manager to sort it out. We have played exactly the same the whole season, it has not changed. The only time I am surprised is when mad stuff like
Bent coming on happens.

I certainly agree and would argue that it is not just this season that we have played that way.  Taing a 1-0 lead in a game seems to be the signal to cease showing any attacking intent at all and just try and hold out. 

I don't know if it comes from the coaching staff or if it is something the players have taken on themselves, but either way it isn't working.  One of the main reasons being that apart from the back four and maybe Sanchez, the rest of the team are defensively inept.  As Monday night showed, holding out on a 1-0 lead is not a great tactic when you are relying on the likes of Weimann and Agbonlahor to help out defensively and they are prone to switching off at any given moment.

[VancouverLion]

At 75 mins you just knew there would be another goal and it wouldn't be us, lucky to hang on for the draw in the end. 
Shocking again from our useless manager, piss poor as fuckin usual.
We go again!!

[VancouverLion]

Watching the match on Sky. Sanchez was only incompetent 2/3 times in the first half however second half he is very poor.

What he does do well is to give the ball away time after time!

[pooligan]

I was actually starting to get all excited and believe that Lambert was on the verge of something i have never seen in over 50 years of following the Villa, a win at Turf Moor. Then i suddenly remembered how he sits back and hopes to hang on and i knew we would be lucky to avoid defeat.

Can anyone remember the last time we beat Palace at Sehlurst ?