Philippe Senderos

[rob_bridge]

I have always though of him is a so so sort of player prone to inexplicable cock ups. Thats a step up from Baker as his cock ups are easily explained by him being rubbish.

And hopefully is cock ups are lesss frequent than Clark's as well. Personally I think Clark has had a get out of jail card this season as Baker was utterly dire. He is no way a Premiership player or otherwise.

[Villafirst]

Not exactly a signing to make me part with £545.00 to renew my season ticket. Thanks Randy, just sell-up asap....

[Chris Smith]

I have always though of him is a so so sort of player prone to inexplicable cock ups. Thats a step up from Baker as his cock ups are easily explained by him being rubbish.

And hopefully is cock ups are lesss frequent than Clark's as well. Personally I think Clark has had a get out of jail card this season as Baker was utterly dire. He is no way a Premiership player or otherwise.

I had hopes for Clark but he doesn't seem to have developed as you might expect in fact he probably went backwards. You never know, now that we have more options he might kick on again.

[QBVILLA]

Clark and Baker would in my opinion be a lot better had they been introduced into the first team alongside an experienced centre half. In Lambert's first season Clark was the most experienced premiership player in the back 4 with 30 odd games under his belt. Added to that the defensive midfielder in front of them had just been signed from League One. It was always going to be a struggle. What I don't like and is the constant slating of two lads who have risen through the ranks. Their attitudes have never been in question and if they aren't good enough then that is more of a problem with the club. By all means knock a lack of effort, for me that is unforgivable at any level of football. Five seasons ago I would have viewed the signing of Senderos on the same level as I did when we signed Harewood. However in 2014, Senderos is an improvement on the squad.

[curiousorange]

Vlaar to Yanited? Lulz.

I'm sure that's what Van Gaal did when he saw Smalling attempt to pass himself off as the heir to Vidic last night.

Vlaar's not a Champions League defender, but then United aren't a Champions League team.

[Clampy]

He's 29, an international and has played in the Prem. He wouldn't have been on my list of players to buy but overall don't see the harm in it.

[Ads]

They're the biggest club in the world and likely to drop £200 million, despite not being in the Champions League. Vlaar is a good player, but he's not good enough for them.

[ktvillan]

A totally meh! signing but what else should we expect?  Possibly a step up from Nathan "bull in a china shop" Baker who is less of a CB and more of a ICBM when he launches himself.  As for Clark, never really rated the chap.  I can't see that he ever had the key things  needed to succeed at the top level such as pace, strength, and positioning. 

[RussellC]

I think Clark's ahead of Baker simply because he can fill-in at Left back and as a holding midfielder if needs be. In fact, when he did that job under Houllier, he probably played the best football of his career.

I think the big mistake that we made with Clark was not loaning him out to a Championship side before throwing him into the first-team. After the success that this brought with Cahill it's always baffled me that the Club haven't actively looked to do this with more of our youngsters.

[Dante Lavelli]

A colleague of mine made a fair point (liverpool) fan:  Why blood two youngsters (Clark and Baker) and suffer all the pain that inevitably comes with having inexperienced CBs and then buy a replacement at the point when they should in theory start to become good players?

I hope this means that Baker can go on loan for a season at a championship club. 

[Ads]

Baker isn't ever going to be a good player though.

[RussellC]

They're the biggest club in the world and likely to drop £200 million, despite not being in the Champions League. Vlaar is a good player, but he's not good enough for them.

With Vidic and ferdinand off he's better than all of their current centre-backs and is already known and trusted by the Manager. Unless they've got 2 World-Class centre backs lined-up (who are willing to join a team not in europe) it's almost a no-brainer of a signing for them.

[PaulWinch again]

A colleague of mine made a fair point (liverpool) fan:  Why blood two youngsters (Clark and Baker) and suffer all the pain that inevitably comes with having inexperienced CBs and then buy a replacement at the point when they should in theory start to become good players?

I hope this means that Baker can go on loan for a season at a championship club. 

I think it's because it's fairly clear particularly in Baker's case that he won't become a good player.

[Ads]

Vlaar a no brainer for Yanited? Fair enough.

[RussellC]

A colleague of mine made a fair point (liverpool) fan:  Why blood two youngsters (Clark and Baker) and suffer all the pain that inevitably comes with having inexperienced CBs and then buy a replacement at the point when they should in theory start to become good players?

I hope this means that Baker can go on loan for a season at a championship club. 

To put it into perspective, Clark is older now than Gareth Southgate was when we signed him. Baker only a few months younger. They're not kids anymore and if they're not good enough we should be looking to sell them, not loan them out.