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Author Topic: Jack Grealish - for life?  (Read 1691602 times)

Offline sirlordbaltimore

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Re: Jack Grealish
« Reply #14220 on: April 01, 2020, 01:08:30 PM »
No surprise but Meaning Evil have had a right go at Jack today. The story dominates the back pages and of course Ron Toss has weighed in with a few columns.

What do you expect them to say or write about?

Genuine question.

Local footballer acts like a complete tool, country wide condemnation and you expect the local paper to report it differently ?


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Re: Jack Grealish
« Reply #14221 on: April 01, 2020, 01:19:15 PM »

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Re: Jack Grealish
« Reply #14222 on: April 01, 2020, 01:25:33 PM »
A sense of perspective

None of the others tried to murder anyone though.

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Re: Jack Grealish
« Reply #14223 on: April 01, 2020, 01:43:46 PM »
Had forgotten about Mason Mount. That example is actually far worse as he was out and about despite having been in contact with someone who was infected. So he shouldn't even have been leaving the house for essential items. Not that his example should excuse Jack, but I bet the Chelsea forum isn't full of Helen Lovejoys desperate to get rid of Mount or have him burned at the stake.

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Re: Jack Grealish
« Reply #14224 on: April 01, 2020, 01:49:45 PM »
Exactly.

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Re: Jack Grealish
« Reply #14225 on: April 01, 2020, 02:03:53 PM »
Had forgotten about Mason Mount. That example is actually far worse as he was out and about despite having been in contact with someone who was infected. So he shouldn't even have been leaving the house for essential items. Not that his example should excuse Jack, but I bet the Chelsea forum isn't full of Helen Lovejoys desperate to get rid of Mount or have him burned at the stake.

Isn't this "whataboutery"?

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Re: Jack Grealish
« Reply #14226 on: April 01, 2020, 02:08:11 PM »
Had forgotten about Mason Mount. That example is actually far worse as he was out and about despite having been in contact with someone who was infected. So he shouldn't even have been leaving the house for essential items. Not that his example should excuse Jack, but I bet the Chelsea forum isn't full of Helen Lovejoys desperate to get rid of Mount or have him burned at the stake.

Isn't this "whataboutery"?

Not really, it's perspective to people that have over-reacted to ridiculous degrees on this thread.

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Re: Jack Grealish
« Reply #14227 on: April 01, 2020, 02:09:03 PM »
Using an example of a Premier League footballer who has been found guilty of breaching requested isolation guidelines to compare and contrast attitudes to a Premier League footballer who has been found guilty of breaching requested isolation guidelines is "whataboutery"? Care to explain?

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Re: Jack Grealish
« Reply #14228 on: April 01, 2020, 02:10:09 PM »
On TheShedEnd, they've not posted on the Mason Mount thread since the 16th. They've posted about Drinkwater more recently!

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Re: Jack Grealish
« Reply #14229 on: April 01, 2020, 02:14:34 PM »
In this case whataboutery would be saying Grealish had done nothing wrong because Mount did something worse, but I don't see anything like that.

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Re: Jack Grealish
« Reply #14230 on: April 01, 2020, 02:27:45 PM »
A sense of perspective

None of the others tried to murder anyone though.

Talking whataboutery, having lost a colleague in one of my NHS Trusts over the weekend infected by a patient he was treating with no protection, maybe the murder accusation would be (not really, but relative to Jack) better aimed at the Government/poorly lead health system that is knowingly putting staff in the firing line with substandard or no protection whatsoever?
Perspective folks. Please.

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Re: Jack Grealish
« Reply #14231 on: April 01, 2020, 02:38:08 PM »
A sense of perspective

None of the others tried to murder anyone though.

Talking whataboutery, having lost a colleague in one of my NHS Trusts over the weekend infected by a patient he was treating with no protection, maybe the murder accusation would be (not really, but relative to Jack) better aimed at the Government/poorly lead health system that is knowingly putting staff in the firing line with substandard or no protection whatsoever?
Perspective folks. Please.

Agree completely, and I made a similar point elsewhere. This is also why I was getting so frustrated with someone on the coronavirus thread over the weekend.

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Re: Jack Grealish
« Reply #14232 on: April 01, 2020, 02:50:13 PM »
A sense of perspective

None of the others tried to murder anyone though.

Talking whataboutery, having lost a colleague in one of my NHS Trusts over the weekend infected by a patient he was treating with no protection, maybe the murder accusation would be (not really, but relative to Jack) better aimed at the Government/poorly lead health system that is knowingly putting staff in the firing line with substandard or no protection whatsoever?
Perspective folks. Please.

That's a fair point.  But the more people who respect the self isolation policy, the fewer people will need to be in hospital, and the less at risk NHS staff will be.  Morons like Jack Grealish who deliberately flout this deserve the public humiliation they get. 

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Re: Jack Grealish
« Reply #14233 on: April 01, 2020, 03:06:06 PM »
I'm all for taking shots at Jack, but some of the absolute shithouses who've chimed in to take pot shots. Ian Wright, Harry Redknapp, Jamie O' Hara. All paragons of virtue of course. Anyone else want to give their two cents? Joey Barton? Adam Johnson? Ched Evans? Has Collymoore chimed in yet?

Wankers.

And now Richard Keys has had his say. That's my piss going at a nice steady boil now.
« Last Edit: April 01, 2020, 03:08:35 PM by supertom »

Offline Brassneck

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Re: Jack Grealish
« Reply #14234 on: April 01, 2020, 03:06:45 PM »
When Villa sold Andy Gray, quite a few of us thought that would be the end of us as a competitive side.

We acquired Peter Withe and the rest is history.

Jack Grealish is not indispensible. If we are still able to get 60 to 70 million later in the year, if well spent, it could result in a much more competitive side than we currently have.

That is assuming that we still cannot access the owners funds and are still bound by FFP.
We also sold Young and replaced him with N'Zogbia, Benteke and replaced him with Gestede, Delph and replaced him with Vertout, Yorke and replaced him with Joachim.

Replacing Gray with Withe was an exception, not the rule.

We have to keep our best players.  No quality players are going to come to us - If available, they'd choose teams like Palace & West Ham ahead of us.

We signed Joachim 2 1/2 years before we sold Yorke, whose fee paid for Dublin & Merson. You could also say we sold McInally and bought the final touches of the 1989-90 team then sold Platt to rebuild for 1992-93.
Joachim was not in the side whilst Yorke was there so although we didn't purchase him, Joachim effectively replaced Yorke.

In your argument, it could be said that we replaced McInally with Cascarino.

Ultimately though, selling your best players is a backwards step which is why the top teams never do so.

We may well have attracted a Merson and a Dublin whilst flying high in the PL but I guarantee that we won't do it where we are currently and minus Jack, we'd be an even less attractive proposition.

I've given three examples. In two we did better, in the other we stayed roughly the same. As always, it's not who you sell, it's who you replace them with.

Dave - You are talking about different times.  Times where off the top of my head, in all the examples you give, we had just 1 foreign player - Kent Neilson.  Those days are gone, as (currently) are the days when AVFC is an attractive proposition to players.  We are sniffing around for the scraps that teams like West Ham & Palace don't want.

We sell Jack and the chances are, we'll replace him with 3 x Trez's.  We haven't got a Tony Barton out there snapping up talent that nobody else recognises.

Anyone can quote examples of when a team sold it's star/stars and then went on and did better.  Normally, this is a short term, quick fix and in the long run, it rarely sustains itself. 

 


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