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Re: The Takeover Thread - Recon Group - NOW WITH NEW POLL
« Reply #14445 on: May 21, 2016, 10:34:33 PM »
I cant see this going through dodgy tidds

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Re: The Takeover Thread - Recon Group - NOW WITH NEW POLL
« Reply #14446 on: May 21, 2016, 11:15:38 PM »
He will have done "Due Diligence" on us - has anyone done likewise on him?. I am beginning to get a little nervous the more I learn about him, and apparently I am not alone on this.

There is no requirement to do due diligence on him as such. Premier/Football League 'fit owner' rules are based mostly upon tangible wrongdoing, chiefly bankruptcy, being barred from directorships and terms in prison - oddly enough Roman Abramovich was imprisoned in Russia. All Lerner/Hollis are really obliged to do is ensure the money they are accepting has reasonable provenance.

If Lerner has undertaken to ensure that the club will only go to a good egg - as he promised to do - then that is up to him, but there is no legal criteria or benchmark for this.

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Re: The Takeover Thread - Recon Group - NOW WITH NEW POLL
« Reply #14447 on: May 21, 2016, 11:22:42 PM »
He will have done "Due Diligence" on us - has anyone done likewise on him?. I am beginning to get a little nervous the more I learn about him, and apparently I am not alone on this.

There is no requirement to do due diligence on him as such. Premier/Football League 'fit owner' rules are based mostly upon tangible wrongdoing, chiefly bankruptcy, being barred from directorships and terms in prison - oddly enough Roman Abramovich was imprisoned in Russia. All Lerner/Hollis are really obliged to do is ensure the money they are accepting has reasonable provenance.

If Lerner has undertaken to ensure that the club will only go to a good egg - as he promised to do - then that is up to him, but there is no legal criteria or benchmark for this.
Of course some Dilligence would have been undertaken on the buyer, it is standard for this value of transaction. A minimum would be proof of funds.Squires handled the sale and they would have dealt with this and some level of Anti money laundering investigation.

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Re: The Takeover Thread - Recon Group - NOW WITH NEW POLL
« Reply #14448 on: May 21, 2016, 11:26:10 PM »
I had no idea so many posters on H and V were even vaguely familiar with the ins and outs of Far East business intricacies let alone experts...

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« Reply #14449 on: May 21, 2016, 11:28:56 PM »
He will have done "Due Diligence" on us - has anyone done likewise on him?. I am beginning to get a little nervous the more I learn about him, and apparently I am not alone on this.

There is no requirement to do due diligence on him as such. Premier/Football League 'fit owner' rules are based mostly upon tangible wrongdoing, chiefly bankruptcy, being barred from directorships and terms in prison - oddly enough Roman Abramovich was imprisoned in Russia. All Lerner/Hollis are really obliged to do is ensure the money they are accepting has reasonable provenance.

If Lerner has undertaken to ensure that the club will only go to a good egg - as he promised to do - then that is up to him, but there is no legal criteria or benchmark for this.

You must be delusional to think that Lerner/Hollis are arsed about anything except getting the most money back that they can.....

Once the cash hits Lerners bank they're outta here. I'd like to think otherwise but it's doubtful.

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Re: The Takeover Thread - Recon Group - NOW WITH NEW POLL
« Reply #14450 on: May 21, 2016, 11:32:52 PM »
I had no idea so many posters on H and V were even vaguely familiar with the ins and outs of Far East business intricacies let alone experts...
yes we are very lucky.😉

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Re: The Takeover Thread - Recon Group - NOW WITH NEW POLL
« Reply #14451 on: May 21, 2016, 11:39:52 PM »
I personally think he's a "front" for someone else. Surely something would be known about the back history of someone who bought a company which lost £58 m last year? Like how he made the money to purchase it?
« Last Edit: May 21, 2016, 11:42:54 PM by sickbeggar »

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Re: The Takeover Thread - Recon Group - NOW WITH NEW POLL
« Reply #14452 on: May 22, 2016, 12:19:28 AM »
Ask me again in a years time. Until then I'll wait to see what Tony does at the Villa. Benefit of doubt and all that.

Trouble is we could be in a complete hole by then. Time to get worried is now while the deal has to be ratified. Hopefully that will prompt the football authorities to do a bit more investigation before the deal is signed off.
in a complete hole is where we are right now. Hopefully this fella will help us start to climb out of it.

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Re: The Takeover Thread - Recon Group - NOW WITH NEW POLL
« Reply #14453 on: May 22, 2016, 12:31:18 AM »
I had no idea so many posters on H and V were even vaguely familiar with the ins and outs of Far East business intricacies let alone experts...

When the Financial Times and the Telegraph start raising these issues, you have to listen.

I can't believe how many of us are looking at all these questions and just refusing to think about how this could turn out if it really turns out that this bloke is nowhere near as rich as we've been told he is.

I also suggest a casual googling of Chris Samuelson and Reading, what with him being involved in the deal.

And finally - the person selecting Xia as the winning bidder is Randy Lerner, a man who has elevated misjudging idiots to an artform.

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Re: The Takeover Thread - Recon Group - NOW WITH NEW POLL
« Reply #14454 on: May 22, 2016, 12:31:54 AM »
He will have done "Due Diligence" on us - has anyone done likewise on him?. I am beginning to get a little nervous the more I learn about him, and apparently I am not alone on this.

There is no requirement to do due diligence on him as such. Premier/Football League 'fit owner' rules are based mostly upon tangible wrongdoing, chiefly bankruptcy, being barred from directorships and terms in prison - oddly enough Roman Abramovich was imprisoned in Russia. All Lerner/Hollis are really obliged to do is ensure the money they are accepting has reasonable provenance.

If Lerner has undertaken to ensure that the club will only go to a good egg - as he promised to do - then that is up to him, but there is no legal criteria or benchmark for this.
Of course some Dilligence would have been undertaken on the buyer, it is standard for this value of transaction. A minimum would be proof of funds.Squires handled the sale and they would have dealt with this and some level of Anti money laundering investigation.

Quite, which is why I wrote "All Lerner/Hollis are really obliged to do is ensure the money they are accepting has reasonable provenance."

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Re: The Takeover Thread - Recon Group - NOW WITH NEW POLL
« Reply #14455 on: May 22, 2016, 12:38:52 AM »
Tony Xia is filthy f**king rich!!!!!  the loss making company Lotus is the only one listed on the stock exchange, he's got loads of private companies and he's just sold one, in April, for £430m - money he is prepared to throw at Aston Villa. It doesn't stop there either....he reckons he could sell some of the others for the same!!! Shit!!

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Re: The Takeover Thread - Recon Group - NOW WITH NEW POLL
« Reply #14456 on: May 22, 2016, 12:42:47 AM »
Tony Xia is filthy f**king rich!!!!!  the loss making company Lotus is the only one listed on the stock exchange, he's got loads of private companies and he's just sold one, in April, for £430m - money he is prepared to throw at Aston Villa. It doesn't stop there either....he reckons he could sell some of the others for the same!!! Shit!!

Says Tony Xia.

Once we see actual proof of any of this, we'll all be happy.

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Re: The Takeover Thread - Recon Group - NOW WITH NEW POLL
« Reply #14457 on: May 22, 2016, 12:44:15 AM »
Well the Daily Mail have actual proof

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Re: The Takeover Thread - Recon Group - NOW WITH NEW POLL
« Reply #14458 on: May 22, 2016, 12:49:04 AM »
They have a bank statement and no doubt the 74.5m in the bank account earmarked for Lerner and to erase the clubs 24m debt will have been checked out. I think if there is conclusive proof that he has 400 million set aside then great, but lets see it first. Interesting the promotion payment is in the first 3 years, with an extra 10m if we stay up for a further 3 years. Seems a fairly sensible sale deal from Lerner who would see essentially 90m by the end and the sale price hit 115m with the bank payment.

Still think he is either real but being backed by money from elsewhere too, or simply living in a fantasy world.

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Re: The Takeover Thread - Recon Group - NOW WITH NEW POLL
« Reply #14459 on: May 22, 2016, 12:50:14 AM »
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3602825/Saviour-dreamer-Sportsmail-talks-Aston-Villa-s-owner-waiting-Dr-Tony-Xia.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490


Saviour or dreamer? Sportsmail talks to Aston Villa’s owner-in-waiting, Dr Tony Xia 
Businessman Tony Xia is set to buy Aston Villa for a 'bargain' £74.5m 
Sportsmail's Nick Harris spoke to the billionaire in his Beijing home
He says it's a big deal for fans but small compared to his £3.5bn US swoop
Xia revealed how he became acquainted with China’s president, Xi Jinping
billionaire admits Villa are not the sole object of his footballing affections
His plan is to make the Aston area home to a football theme park
Villa’s academy will find and nurture the best young talent in China


Tony Xia, Aston Villa’s owner-in-waiting, chuckles when asked if he is a dollar billionaire.
‘I think it’s rather more than that,’ says the 39-year-old Chinese businessman, explaining that just a few months ago he sold one of his companies, Teamax, for £430million, which is sitting in a bank account waiting to be spent, in part on Villa.
‘I own quite a lot of private businesses and I think I can sell some of them for the same amount or more,’ adds Xia, who has provided The Mail on Sunday with a bank transfer certificate purporting to show the funds from the Teamex deal.

Speaking from his home in Beijing on Saturday in an hour-long exclusive interview, he revealed not just the financial nuts and bolts of the deal that could put him in control at Villa Park within weeks but much more about his plans for the club. 
‘If’, for the moment, is the key word in the phrase ‘if his plans come to fruition’. Xia was happy to talk about his past, his private life, his business career and his finances.
Within weeks he will need to prove, beyond doubt and with hard cash, that he has the assets and ability to buy Villa and fund it. Initial checks corroborate some of the information.

But the reality is that China has an opaque business environment and a chaotically expanding economy. In the short time since Xia hit the headlines, it is impossible to verify everything about him.
Even his birth-date has been questioned. Xia, whose full name is Xia Jiantong, says he was born on October 26, 1976, and that the confusion arose because he started school as a precocious four-year-old whose parents needed for legal reasons to pretend he was six.
What is fact, and The Mail on Sunday has verified, is that he studied landscape design at Harvard University in the late 1990s, started a design company, XWHO, in Boston, Massachusetts in March 1999, co-owned by his girlfriend at the time Cong Liu and one of his lecturers, Prof Charles Harris.

Registries in the USA and China show the company relocated to Hangzhou in the eastern province of Zhejiang, where Xia also started Teamex, a planning company that has provided services as hundreds of new cities have been built.
Firms operating across IT, health, transport, design, tourism and finance were added. Xia’s business empire exists under an umbrella organisation called the RECON Group but most of the subsidiaries are privately held, not stockmarket listed. The most visible, Lotus, has been loss-making but Xia is open about this and says it is turning around.
He insists that within a few months a series of major mergers and acquisitions will bring a bigger chunk of his business into the public domain. ‘I would rather keep a low profile,’ he says. It is pointed out that buying a football club just relegated from the Premier League is not a clever way to do that. ‘Actually you’re right,’ he laughs.
‘There’s been more attention than I’d expect or could predict. I knew people would pay attention, but not this much.’

Scrutiny, he is finding out, comes as part of the package and he discloses what he will pay for Villa. Lerner, the American owner, wanted more than £100m but Xia says he has settled for £52m up front, plus Xia’s guarantee of clearing Villa’s overdraft at HSBC of £24.5m. Xia says that £74.5m is thus sitting in a ring-fenced bank account.
Lerner will earn a £30m bonus if Villa return to the Premier League within three years and another £10m if they stay there for another three years after promotion.
‘I appreciate it’s a big deal for Villa fans,’ he says. ‘But actually in pure business terms, I’m working on acquisitions much bigger than this.’ He says, for example, that within months he will complete a $3.5bn takeover of a US logistics firm.
If true, Villa fans could well have got themselves an owner if not quite as rich as Roman Abramovich then certainly extremely wealthy. Whether he, like them, is a lifelong supporter, is less clear.
Xia spent five months on an exchange at Trinity College, Oxford, in 1998-99 and saw one Villa home game during that time. He says he cannot remember who they played, or the score. This hardly smacks of an awestruck devotee.

He insists he has kept an eye on Villa’s fortunes since but admits he also has a soft spot for Arsenal and is rather more convincing waxing lyrical on Dennis Bergkamp and Thierry Henry. ‘I can assure you my first and only football priority from now will be Aston Villa though,’ he says.
Xia says he has offered the manager’s job to one of three candidates in the public domain but won’t confirm which of Roberto Di Matteo, Nigel Pearson or David Moyes it is.
‘When the manager is appointed, we will discuss his budget,’ Xia adds. It is expected between £20m and £50m will be available for transfers, depending on the case made by whoever gets the job.
The long-term plan include a football museum and theme park to attract football tourists from China and India, and the recruitment of young Chinese players to Villa’s academy, if not as formal scholars then on exchange programmes.

Xia says he will spend a lot of time in Birmingham over the next year, buying a house for himself and his wife Sally and daughter Charlotte, who turns two this summer. He says buying a club has been a long-term aim.
He has played football since college; Harvard records show him in the university league. He says love of the sport and a desire to diversify his business interests are his main driver, although the knowledge that China’s president, Xi Jinping, wants China to become a footballing superpower, is not lost on him.
He has known the president for some time, albeit not closely. Xi was the most senior government official in Zhejiang Province when Xia relocated there to the same industrial park as Jack Ma, China’s richest man in recent years.
President Xi visited both men’s companies when they were still on the up. Xia dreams he might be tempted to Villa Park too.
For now, that remains a dream, just as Xia knows his plans for Villa remain a dream in the eyes of many. He still has everything to prove.


 


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