The Takeover Thread - Recon Group - NOW WITH NEW POLL

[Holte L2]

I'm probably playing a broken record.  But what about Fan Ownership?

It works for Barcelona, Real Madrid, The Bundesliga and Galatasary and Fenerbache.

Could we get it to work at Aston Villa, with the backing of the AVST as a movement?

Even if you had 100,000 fans signed up, we'd have to put a grand in each to be able to compete with Stoke for two or three years. So it's a "no", from me.

Not necessarily. Some section of our support are wealthier than others. Supporters would have the option of buying as many shares as they liked, with the objective of raising capital. We'd also have other sources of income via commercial revenue to invest in the playing squad.
At the end of the day, Doug ran the club for 24 years without putting his own money in and that was before big money TV deals for the most part.
In order to form a board, shareholders would stand for election for various positions. With an election for Chairman taking place every four to five years and if the fans wanted more signings beyond out self generated income levels, it would be up to them to raise the money themselves as we'd own the club and would be accountable.

A football club? I'm not mental.

I'd feel safe putting my money into a Cypriot bank.

Real Oviedo did a similar scheme. giving supporters to buy as many shares as they wanted. I've brought £30 worth.
You would be obligated to buy as many or none as you wanted. As per when we were a PLC.

[bertlambshank]

How much would the club be worth if Randy did a Doug's dodgy float?

[john e]

I'm probably playing a broken record.  But what about Fan Ownership?

It works for Barcelona, Real Madrid, The Bundesliga and Galatasary and Fenerbache.

Could we get it to work at Aston Villa, with the backing of the AVST as a movement?

I honestly don't know how they work, what anybody gets back for their investment or who runs the club etc

But they must work for the clubs you mentioned so it's not like it hasnt been tried before

[Holte L2]

I'm probably playing a broken record.  But what about Fan Ownership?

It works for Barcelona, Real Madrid, The Bundesliga and Galatasary and Fenerbache.

Could we get it to work at Aston Villa, with the backing of the AVST as a movement?

I honestly don't know how they work, what anybody gets back for their investment or who runs the club etc

But they must work for the clubs you mentioned so it's not like it hasnt been tried before

I wouldn't imagine you would get anything back from your investment.

But I would be happy in the knowledge that the supporters would be running the club so we would be fully accountable.

With regards to running the club, the shareholders would initially appoint a board of directors.  A Chairman could also be elected every four years by vote. This is done at Barcelona

[Villa in Denmark]

How much would the club be worth if Randy did a Doug's dodgy float?

I think that you're looking for this thread

[Risso]

I'm probably playing a broken record.  But what about Fan Ownership?

It works for Barcelona, Real Madrid, The Bundesliga and Galatasary and Fenerbache.

Could we get it to work at Aston Villa, with the backing of the AVST as a movement?

No. Not in a million years.

[phantom limb]

Real Oviedo did a similar scheme. giving supporters to buy as many shares as they wanted. I've brought £30 worth.
You would be obligated to buy as many or none as you wanted. As per when we were a PLC.

Nice one, I bought some shares in Real Oviedo too. They won at the weekend as well, which was good to see after our shambles.

[Mister E]

I'm probably playing a broken record.  But what about Fan Ownership?

It works for Barcelona, Real Madrid, The Bundesliga and Galatasary and Fenerbache.

Could we get it to work at Aston Villa, with the backing of the AVST as a movement?

Even if you had 100,000 fans signed up, we'd have to put a grand in each to be able to compete with Stoke for two or three years. So it's a "no", from me.

Not necessarily. Some section of our support are wealthier than others. Supporters would have the option of buying as many shares as they liked, with the objective of raising capital. We'd also have other sources of income via commercial revenue to invest in the playing squad.
At the end of the day, Doug ran the club for 24 years without putting his own money in and that was before big money TV deals for the most part.
In order to form a board, shareholders would stand for election for various positions. With an election for Chairman taking place every four to five years and if the fans wanted more signings beyond out self generated income levels, it would be up to them to raise the money themselves as we'd own the club and would be accountable.

Talk to the AVST About the shareholding. IIRC, we had around 15,000 shareholders during DBL (the days before Lerner) and the AVST had a full list to a proportion of which it mailshotted the idea of supporting some sort of share-leveraging strategy to get a rep on the board; with little response.
So, in order to work the idea, you'd need to have a shot at estimating the likely real interest in part-ownership. If you assume that there'd probably only be around 5,000 who would put up serious amounts, with maybe another 25,000 putting up nominal amounts, the 5,000 would need to be prepared to put up at least £20k each on average to be even on the starting blocks.
Then, there's the question of whether the club can be not only operationally self-sufficient on a day-to-day basis (which will be a function of what division we're in) but also capable of competing in the real-world environment of the English football set-up: where will player-purchase funds come from, unless we have an academy that is routinely developing players with signficant sell-on value?
Not saying it's a totally crazy idea - and it clearly has been done elsewhere - but the intracies make it tough, and the English set-up complicates it (because the P League has such a high premium from its TV deal).

[Jimbo]

I'm probably playing a broken record.  But what about Fan Ownership?

It works for Barcelona, Real Madrid, The Bundesliga and Galatasary and Fenerbache.

Could we get it to work at Aston Villa, with the backing of the AVST as a movement?

No. Not in a million years.

Quite. Villa fans can barely agree what day it is, let alone how to run the club.

[Stu]

I like the idea of buying shares in the club, but outright fan ownership would see us in the conference in no time.

[DB]

Real Madrid fan owned?

[chrisw1]

I'm probably playing a broken record.  But what about Fan Ownership?

It works for Barcelona, Real Madrid, The Bundesliga and Galatasary and Fenerbache.

Could we get it to work at Aston Villa, with the backing of the AVST as a movement?

No. Not in a million years.

It would be a disaster.  A couple of hundred relatively like minded fans on here can't agree on anything, so appointing club officials etc would be impossible.  Unless of course the Fear spoke for all of us.  I'm guessing that would go well?

[Chris Smith]

I'm probably playing a broken record.  But what about Fan Ownership?

It works for Barcelona, Real Madrid, The Bundesliga and Galatasary and Fenerbache.

Could we get it to work at Aston Villa, with the backing of the AVST as a movement?

No. Not in a million years.

It would be a disaster.  A couple of hundred relatively like minded fans on here can't agree on anything...

Yes we can.

[Chris Harte]

I'm probably playing a broken record.  But what about Fan Ownership?

It works for Barcelona, Real Madrid, The Bundesliga and Galatasary and Fenerbache.

Could we get it to work at Aston Villa, with the backing of the AVST as a movement?

No. Not in a million years.

It would be a disaster.  A couple of hundred relatively like minded fans on here can't agree on anything...

Yes we can.

No we can't. Some want some form of protest, others are appalled by the idea.

[brian green]

Depends on what the protest is.  If it is burning the stadium down, No.  If it is going to the US and sitting on Randy Lerner's doorstep, Yes.

We can agree on here.  I just depends on what we are asked to agree with.