The Takeover Thread - Recon Group - NOW WITH NEW POLL

[teamvillage]

'Other than the fact '

There are no facts just opinions and as I stated some pretty significant straws in the wind.

So you don't accept the professor that he studied uder at Harvard saying that his education record at Harvard and MIT is exactly as it was represented as being a fact?

Not really. A (seemingly very credible) source on social media saying that he's had an email from his teacher is certainly very good to hear, but it certainly falls short of what I'd consider to be a fact.

Although on the other hand, a university of the calibire of Harvard would presumably be only too happy to confirm if someone was telling porkies about having attended the institution.

I believe he went to Harvard, nobody could expect to tell a lie like that and get away with it, it's too easily verifiable.

I went to Queens College Oxford. Took 3 wickets. Nice tea...

It's a nice ground, that one. Bit prone to flooding, though.

[Risso]

'Other than the fact '

There are no facts just opinions and as I stated some pretty significant straws in the wind.

So you don't accept the professor that he studied uder at Harvard saying that his education record at Harvard and MIT is exactly as it was represented as being a fact?

Not really. A (seemingly very credible) source on social media saying that he's had an email from his teacher is certainly very good to hear, but it certainly falls short of what I'd consider to be a fact.

Although on the other hand, a university of the calibire of Harvard would presumably be only too happy to confirm if someone was telling porkies about having attended the institution.

I believe he went to Harvard, nobody could expect to tell a lie like that and get away with it, it's too easily verifiable.

I assume you don't watch US TV legal series 'Suits' then?!

[HK Villan]

'Other than the fact '

There are no facts just opinions and as I stated some pretty significant straws in the wind.

So you don't accept the professor that he studied uder at Harvard saying that his education record at Harvard and MIT is exactly as it was represented as being a fact?

You don't take a sale certificate showing they've recently sold a company for £430m as a fact?

What constitutes a fact in your world?

What  a Daily Mail journalist (who already says he's a billionaire) has said on Twitter? 

A very questionable piece of paper the like I have never seen except in connection with scams and frauds?  Come on!

To respond to some previous comments the Telegraph report does repeat some things written before, but they are repeating serious questions which need to be answered, not just blindly repeating statements about his background many of which seem to be full of holes. 

So to sum yup you believe stuff that feeds your feeds your fears and disregard anything that challenges them as questionable.  Good to know.

Not at all.  And like everyone else I'm not always correct.  But I have a healthy scepticism and a good nose for bullshit.  There are too many quite happy to rely on stuff printed in the press by lazy journalists which can not be substantiated.  That's what happened with Blues.  Thank God the serious press are asking serious questions.  As supporters I think we have a duty to insist to the extent we can that the FA and FL for once do a diligent job when it comes to the fit and proper test.  As commented above, this is Aston Villa we are talking about.   I'm optimistic the FA/FL will have to do it properly because these questions are now getting some serious coverage in the press.  I think they would accept they have screwed up in the past. 

[Monty]

It doesn't have to be world domination or asset-stripping. He could just be a quite rich, quite bright, ambitious young businessman who likes to bloviate about how big he's going to be without necessarily backing it up. He could just be middling.

[The Edge]

With Moyes turning us down and the possibility the PL smell something fishy, I have a horrible feeling this is all going to go tits up

Moyes has turned us down? Where have you got that from?

Pat Murphy/the Beeb - see Manager for Next Season thread

Just looked thanks. I've been out of the country since before all this happened with limited access to the net. Quite frustrating! Sod Moyes anyway. I'd like the club to be more imaginative with our new manager. We don't really need a Man Utd/Real Sociedad failure anyway.

[Russ aka Big Nose]

Another day and some people have decided Tony Xia is a wrong 'un.

This thread has become Groundhog Day but on a 48 hour loop - first 24 hours: "great news, wealthy owner with good intentions" followed by 24 hours of "highly suspicious, he's a fraud/wrong 'un". Repeat.

There are clearly two camps - for now I'm cautiously optimistic. Maybe for that reason I think some people are conveniently being selective - for example, not trusting as authoritative the tweet that verified his Harvard credentials when it comes from the journalist who wrote the original article.

I think, given we are a Championship team, that Moyes would be a good appointment. Though if Moyes is not appointed, it is not for me clear evidence that this deal will all end badly (assuming he is not ruled out by a FA/FL 'fit and proper test' as some hope for).

If it helps distract and calm a few folks down, then this might be interesting: https://cloud.3dissue.com/6374/7271/131371/fcbusiness93/index.html

On pages 6, 7 and 8 there is an interesting article on the ambitions the Chinese have in football - one stat jumped out - they want 50 million adults and children playing football in China by 2020. Their treatment of their own people can be appalling and their business ethics/approach are different to Western standards - but the Chinese typically achieve what they set out to do.

Hence, with the prospect of China becoming a global force in football, it will be a very exciting time - if this deal and this owner are legit. As I say, I'm cautiously optimistic.

[pauliewalnuts]

It doesn't have to be world domination or asset-stripping. He could just be a quite rich, quite bright, ambitious young businessman who likes to bloviate about how big he's going to be without necessarily backing it up. He could just be middling.

This is the thing.

Being sceptical about his financial worth does not mean you're accusing him of being worse than Carson Yeung.

[pauliewalnuts]

Another day and some people have decided Tony Xia is a wrong 'un.

This thread has become Groundhog Day but on a 48 hour loop - first 24 hours: "great news, wealthy owner with good intentions" followed by 24 hours of "highly suspicious, he's a fraud/wrong 'un". Repeat.

That's not true, though.

Some people are convinced, some are not convinced.

[Monty]

It doesn't have to be world domination or asset-stripping. He could just be a quite rich, quite bright, ambitious young businessman who likes to bloviate about how big he's going to be without necessarily backing it up. He could just be middling.

This is the thing.

Being sceptical about his financial worth does not mean you're accusing him of being worse than Carson Yeung.

Exactly. I'm not certain about anything with this guy - whether he's richer than God, or the biggest fraud since Titus Oates. People saying that they're sure either way have a job on justifying themselves.

[Ron Manager]

if the other two reject it we're going to have to start calling Tony Dr No

His word is his bond!

[Lastfootstamper]

Another day and some people have decided Tony Xia is a wrong 'un.

This thread has become Groundhog Day but on a 48 hour loop - first 24 hours: "great news, wealthy owner with good intentions" followed by 24 hours of "highly suspicious, he's a fraud/wrong 'un". Repeat.

That's not true, though.

Some people are convinced, some are not convinced.

Too right, I don't think anybody's switched sides since well before the weekend.
However, I'm gonna stick my neck on the line here and say that none of us are wholly convinced. I'm trusting him, and I'll be crushed if it all falls through and we have to go back.

[aev]

It doesn't have to be world domination or asset-stripping. He could just be a quite rich, quite bright, ambitious young businessman who likes to bloviate about how big he's going to be without necessarily backing it up. He could just be middling.

This is the thing.

Being sceptical about his financial worth does not mean you're accusing him of being worse than Carson Yeung.

Exactly. I'm not certain about anything with this guy - whether he's richer than God, or the biggest fraud since Titus Oates. People saying that they're sure either way have a job on justifying themselves.

And he himself has said he is very rich (in the Daily Mail article).

[sirlordbaltimore]

I wish there was a 'i really don't know what to think' option

[cdward]

http://www.txgis.com/about.asp?a=1
I'm still confused about Recon and Rui Kang.
Looking at the Teamax/Recon website above, if you click on the "about us" tab,

RECON (United Rui Kang) is China's largest and one of the most complete international covering professional multicultural background information and intelligence services. As a "smart city planning and construction management consulting services provider", RECON (United Rui Kang) is a force to help the city build the best partner for a sustainable future Smart City. From planning, technology, construction, operation, management, and other all-round integration to help cities and global institutions to deal with all kinds of urban development, the provision of technical leader in the whole chain solutions.

Is it that Rui Kang and United Rui Kang are just very similar?
Also according to Reuters, http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/000662.SZ/key-developments/article/3353844  Teamax was bought by Softto in April. Softto are a shampoo/pharmaceuticals company, who sell anti hair loss shampoo and slimming soap! but decided to call themselves Teamax, but there is no mention of shampoo or pharmaceuticals on the Teamax website.

[mr underhill]

are those bald facts?