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[Dave]

I've seen people called "idiots" on this thread for criticising Lerner. Did you pull them up for that as well?

People were called idiots for saying stupid things, not for criticising Lerner.

Like daring to criticise? Whatever they said they still don't deserve to be called idiots.

No, like saying that Lerner is taking huge amount of money of the club.

Which in spite of whatever criticisms somebody might have, is demonstrably a stupid thing to say.

[saunders_heroes]

Then it could be a calculated risk that didn't pay off in in the worst possible way. But it's all guesswork. I remember last year we were nailed on for the drop because we didn't sign the players we desperately needed. It's guesswork because we have no idea of what the plans are, or indeed aren't. Or what RL or PL are planning. All we can do is guess.
Maybe my scenario above is correct and Lambert believes we have enough about us to stay up until then. Maybe we don't have a pot to piss in and Lambert has no one lined up, none of us know.

Who claimed we were nailed on to go down last season?
These relegation battles are too close for comfort, and 4 consecutive ones are beneath a club as great as Aston Villa. The most damning inditement is that some fans just plod along like nodding dogs and never question the chairman who has presided over our decline.

What a ridiculous statement, as if somehow because you spend all of your time complaining on the Internet it makes a jot of difference.

It's perfectly normal that different people will have a different take on the situation and just because they don't chime with yours does not make them 'nodding dogs'.

Typical Chris Smith post. You know one day you may question the club. One day...

[saunders_heroes]

I've seen people called "idiots" on this thread for criticising Lerner. Did you pull them up for that as well?

People were called idiots for saying stupid things, not for criticising Lerner.

Like daring to criticise? Whatever they said they still don't deserve to be called idiots.

No, like saying that Lerner is taking huge amount of money of the club.

Which in spite of whatever criticisms somebody might have, is demonstrably a stupid thing to say.

There are stupid things said all the time on here. I think posts that continually defend the chairman despite him turning us into perennial relegation battlers are stupid, but would I call the posters idiots? Nope.

[PeterWithesShin]

Then it could be a calculated risk that didn't pay off in in the worst possible way. But it's all guesswork. I remember last year we were nailed on for the drop because we didn't sign the players we desperately needed. It's guesswork because we have no idea of what the plans are, or indeed areni't. Or what RL or PL are planning. All we can do is guess.
Maybe my scenario above is correct and Lambert believes we have enough about us to stay up until then. Maybe we don't have a pot to piss in and Lambert has no one lined up, none of us know.

Who claimed we were nailed on to go down last season?
These relegation battles are too close for comfort, and 4 consecutive ones are beneath a club as great as Aston Villa. The most damning inditement is that some fans just plod along like nodding dogs and never question the chairman who has presided over our decline.

Plenty thought we were nailed on. Go look at the threads from last year to refresh your memory. And just for once could you not insult people who have a different opinion to you.

[Dave]

There are stupid things said all the time on here. I think posts that continually defend the chairman despite him turning us into perennial relegation battlers are stupid, but would I call the posters idiots? Nope.

Well that's fine, I'm simply pointing out that where you say you've "seen people called "idiots" on this thread for criticising Lerner" you're wrong. Because you haven't.

[saunders_heroes]

Then it could be a calculated risk that didn't pay off in in the worst possible way. But it's all guesswork. I remember last year we were nailed on for the drop because we didn't sign the players we desperately needed. It's guesswork because we have no idea of what the plans are, or indeed areni't. Or what RL or PL are planning. All we can do is guess.
Maybe my scenario above is correct and Lambert believes we have enough about us to stay up until then. Maybe we don't have a pot to piss in and Lambert has no one lined up, none of us know.

Who claimed we were nailed on to go down last season?
These relegation battles are too close for comfort, and 4 consecutive ones are beneath a club as great as Aston Villa. The most damning inditement is that some fans just plod along like nodding dogs and never question the chairman who has presided over our decline.

Plenty thought we were nailed on. Go look at the threads from last year to refresh your memory. And just for once could you not insult people who have a different opinion to you.

Well what if they did? It was too close for comfort. Staying in the PL is nothing to celebrate, we should be looking at top 6 not perennial relegation battlers. If you're gonna gloat about you claiming we'd stay up when others said we'd go down then I should gloat about the time I said we'd be in a relegation battle before last season even kicked off due to the standard of players we were signing. I was ridiculed for it by the usual suspects and we all know how last season turned out.
You see we can all point at things to gloat about, you're not on you're own there peterwitheshin.

[saunders_heroes]

There are stupid things said all the time on here. I think posts that continually defend the chairman despite him turning us into perennial relegation battlers are stupid, but would I call the posters idiots? Nope.

Well that's fine, I'm simply pointing out that where you say you've "seen people called "idiots" on this thread for criticising Lerner" you're wrong. Because you haven't.

Split hairs all you like. People were called idiots bit the mods didn't have a problem with it.

[Dave]

There are stupid things said all the time on here. I think posts that continually defend the chairman despite him turning us into perennial relegation battlers are stupid, but would I call the posters idiots? Nope.

Well that's fine, I'm simply pointing out that where you say you've "seen people called "idiots" on this thread for criticising Lerner" you're wrong. Because you haven't.

Split hairs all you like. People were called idiots bit the mods didn't have a problem with it.

Nobody was directly called an idiot. In the same that you didn't directly call anybody a 'nodding dog'.

If you're going to get all flouncy about the standard of moderation, you might like to look at putting your own house in order first of all.

[saunders_heroes]

There are stupid things said all the time on here. I think posts that continually defend the chairman despite him turning us into perennial relegation battlers are stupid, but would I call the posters idiots? Nope.

Well that's fine, I'm simply pointing out that where you say you've "seen people called "idiots" on this thread for criticising Lerner" you're wrong. Because you haven't.

Split hairs all you like. People were called idiots bit the mods didn't have a problem with it.

Nobody was directly called an idiot. In the same that you didn't directly call anybody a 'nodding dog'.

If you're going to get all flouncy about the standard of moderation, you might like to look at putting your own house in order first of all.

Well someone had a problem with me saying "nodding dog", else we wouldn't be discussing it now.
And you're quite capable of flouncing yourself by the way.

[Chris Smith]

Then it could be a calculated risk that didn't pay off in in the worst possible way. But it's all guesswork. I remember last year we were nailed on for the drop because we didn't sign the players we desperately needed. It's guesswork because we have no idea of what the plans are, or indeed aren't. Or what RL or PL are planning. All we can do is guess.
Maybe my scenario above is correct and Lambert believes we have enough about us to stay up until then. Maybe we don't have a pot to piss in and Lambert has no one lined up, none of us know.

Who claimed we were nailed on to go down last season?
These relegation battles are too close for comfort, and 4 consecutive ones are beneath a club as great as Aston Villa. The most damning inditement is that some fans just plod along like nodding dogs and never question the chairman who has presided over our decline.

What a ridiculous statement, as if somehow because you spend all of your time complaining on the Internet it makes a jot of difference.

It's perfectly normal that different people will have a different take on the situation and just because they don't chime with yours does not make them 'nodding dogs'.

Typical Chris Smith post. You know one day you may question the club. One day...

You have a tendency for personalising issues when your opinions are questioned.

I've questioned plenty but perhaps because I don't make the same post worded slightly differently several times a day you haven't noticed.

Anyway, back to the accounts, if the financial situation is improved and that allows for increased spending in the summer does that not go some way to justifying the cautious approach since Lambert was appointed?

[saunders_heroes]

Then it could be a calculated risk that didn't pay off in in the worst possible way. But it's all guesswork. I remember last year we were nailed on for the drop because we didn't sign the players we desperately needed. It's guesswork because we have no idea of what the plans are, or indeed aren't. Or what RL or PL are planning. All we can do is guess.
Maybe my scenario above is correct and Lambert believes we have enough about us to stay up until then. Maybe we don't have a pot to piss in and Lambert has no one lined up, none of us know.

Who claimed we were nailed on to go down last season?
These relegation battles are too close for comfort, and 4 consecutive ones are beneath a club as great as Aston Villa. The most damning inditement is that some fans just plod along like nodding dogs and never question the chairman who has presided over our decline.

What a ridiculous statement, as if somehow because you spend all of your time complaining on the Internet it makes a jot of difference.

It's perfectly normal that different people will have a different take on the situation and just because they don't chime with yours does not make them 'nodding dogs'.

Typical Chris Smith post. You know one day you may question the club. One day...

You have a tendency for personalising issues when your opinions are questioned.

I've questioned plenty but perhaps because I don't make the same post worded slightly differently several times a day you haven't noticed.

Anyway, back to the accounts, if the financial situation is improved and that allows for increased spending in the summer does that not go some way to justifying the cautious approach since Lambert was appointed?

It doesn't matter who is in charge or where we are in the league, you'll never question the men in charge. You've been like it since day one, Chris.
As for the accounts - I really hope you're right, but if we go into the summer and find out that our number 1 midfield target is again Wes Hoolahan the shit will hit the fan.

[Chris Smith]

Seriously, you're wrong. I thought the appointments of AM and GH were both mistakes and said so, however once the decision was made I gave them support and the opportunity to prove me wrong and was not sorry to see the back of either of them.

I agree entirely with your last remark, if we've gone through all the pain and don't see some tangible benefit then there will no excuse.

[saunders_heroes]

Seriously, you're wrong. I thought the appointments of AM and GH were both mistakes and said so, however once the decision was made I gave them support and the opportunity to prove me wrong and was not sorry to see the back of either of them.

I agree entirely with your last remark, if we've gone through all the pain and don't see some tangible benefit then there will no excuse.

Fair enough.
And I agree with you're second point 100%.

[Hoppo]

Help me out.. I've got an overdraft and a credit card so I'm no financial guru.. Why are we still so much in debt? I mean 6-8 mill I could understand, but our losses are ridiculous.
Paul Faulkner knew the problems but still signed off Given,Hutton, Nzogbia.

[PeterWithesShin]

Then it could be a calculated risk that didn't pay off in in the worst possible way. But it's all guesswork. I remember last year we were nailed on for the drop because we didn't sign the players we desperately needed. It's guesswork because we have no idea of what the plans are, or indeed areni't. Or what RL or PL are planning. All we can do is guess.
Maybe my scenario above is correct and Lambert believes we have enough about us to stay up until then. Maybe we don't have a pot to piss in and Lambert has no one lined up, none of us know.

Who claimed we were nailed on to go down last season?
These relegation battles are too close for comfort, and 4 consecutive ones are beneath a club as great as Aston Villa. The most damning inditement is that some fans just plod along like nodding dogs and never question the chairman who has presided over our decline.

Plenty thought we were nailed on. Go look at the threads from last year to refresh your memory. And just for once could you not insult people who have a different opinion to you.

Well what if they did? It was too close for comfort. Staying in the PL is nothing to celebrate, we should be looking at top 6 not perennial relegation battlers. If you're gonna gloat about you claiming we'd stay up when others said we'd go down then I should gloat about the time I said we'd be in a relegation battle before last season even kicked off due to the standard of players we were signing. I was ridiculed for it by the usual suspects and we all know how last season turned out.
You see we can all point at things to gloat about, you're not on you're own there peterwitheshin.

And where in that post did I gloat? As usual as soon as someone disagrees with facts it's "so what" and more digs. Maybe that more than one person is pointing that out will help you realise that you rarely debate without doing it.