Relegation?

[Gerrin]

Yes, it's a poor league, no doubt about that. Liverpool could even win it with what is, at best, a very average team with a couple of game winning superstars in it. How many people would remember the names of their players five years down the road if they won the league? And Man Utd won it with a pretty dire team last year comparatively speaking. Which just makes it even more of a crying shame that we can't take advantage as we could easily push up to about 6th or 7th with almost no effort at all, just a few quality players and a decent manager. Good to see some realism about just how bad we are on this thread too

I think it's a great league, the fact that Liverpool could win it should give hope to many teams. I'll remember their team more than I will Man U's of last year. Anybody, on there days can beat anybody else. What would you rather have? A league like Germany where the title has already been won.

[Damo70]

It is the best Premier League season for years on the basis everyone beats everyone else, we have a three or four horse title race that doesn't include the holders and anyone in the bottom half could still go down. But the reason behind all that is that generally the quality is poor.

[Malandro]

It is the best Premier League season for years on the basis everyone beats everyone else, we have a three or four horse title race that doesn't include the holders and anyone in the bottom half could still go down. But the reason behind all that is that generally the quality is poor.

yep, I think global football has been pretty bad for four years.

[mike]

I don't think we are in a relegation battle and I don't think we have been at any point this season.

To be revisited after: Fulham at home, Palace away and Hull at home. The pessemist in me refuses to lie down until we have 40 points on the board (ok this season 37 could be enough).
Its hard to believe that I am responding to Ads about the exact same topic we discussed this time last season - do you honestly think we have moved on or improved (albeit slightly) from last season?
I fail to see any improvement whatsoever and the "quality" of football on offer at home has been dire. For that very reason I will not be renewing- the owner and CEO don`t seem to bother - why should I? OK the Villa are in my DNA but there comes a tipping point and I appear to have reached mine.
Having said that I have "fallen out of love" with football in general for so many reasons - looks like I will be spending more time in the garden in future !!! 

Easy to find out if we've improved and by how much, compare last season's points total with this one's although i expect some will choose to use league placings instead.

League placing is surely the best guide for how you have done in comparison to everyone else. Winning the league with fewer points than the team who won it the previous year doesn't make it any less of an achievement.

That's true in principle but, as three points separate five teams from 12th to 16th, it makes league position more of a lottery this year. In reality, the situation is that we're a long way off 9th and very close to 16th. That doesn't feel like progress to me.

[Jon Crofts]

It is a poor league, Liverpool will not win it and we won't be relegated, at least not this season.

[Dave Clark Five]

Doesn't say much for England's hopes in the World Cup.

[Jon Crofts]

Quite honestly DC5, I couldn't and never have given 2 fucks about England.

[Brend'Watkins]

It is a poor league, Liverpool will not win it and we won't be relegated, at least not this season.

I'm glad it is a poor league, if it wasn't we really would be in the brown smelly stuff.

[Dave Clark Five]

Quite honestly DC5, I couldn't and never have given 2 fucks about England.

I don't care either but it is a measure of our league strength. We don't have loads of players in Serie A etc, they are mainly here. A few weeks ago, there were several posters on here coming up with all manner of statistics to try to demonstrate that it is not a poor league. I am offering another benchmark. Take it or leave it.

[Jon Crofts]

Quite honestly DC5, I couldn't and never have given 2 fucks about England.

I don't care either but it is a measure of our league strength. We don't have loads of players in Serie A etc, they are mainly here. A few weeks ago, there were several posters on here coming up with all manner of statistics to try to demonstrate that it is not a poor league. I am offering another benchmark. Take it or leave it.

They're mainly here for the money, over rated and frankly a lot of them not as good as our home grown talent, are there any decent English players playing outside of the PL? 

I am trying to imagine the situation of Suarez diving in the penalty area to get a pen vs England and them him slotting it away for the win to eliminate England in the group stage.  The English press will explode in a mixture of hatred & vitriol, Suarez will demand a transfer to Real Madrid on his return and 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' fans will all claim he was driven out by the press.

[Jon Crofts]

It is a poor league, Liverpool will not win it and we won't be relegated, at least not this season.

I'm glad it is a poor league, if it wasn't we really would be in the brown smelly stuff.

How much longer will there be 3 worse teams for though?

If Fulham, Blunderland & Cardiff go this year, there's possibly Norwich, Palace & a promoted team who'll be worse than us again.  What fun.

[Dave Clark Five]

It is a poor league, Liverpool will not win it and we won't be relegated, at least not this season.

I'm glad it is a poor league, if it wasn't we really would be in the brown smelly stuff.

How much longer will there be 3 worse teams for though?

If Fulham, Blunderland & Cardiff go this year, there's possibly Norwich, Palace & a promoted team who'll be worse than us again.  What fun.

There will always be another summer transfer window to look forward to.

[Villan For Life]

It is a poor league, Liverpool will not win it and we won't be relegated, at least not this season.

I'm glad it is a poor league, if it wasn't we really would be in the brown smelly stuff.

How much longer will there be 3 worse teams for though?

If Fulham, Blunderland & Cardiff go this year, there's possibly Norwich, Palace & a promoted team who'll be worse than us again.  What fun.

My concern is that after four consecutive relegation fights one year we will succumb. The law of average will prevail. We can't keep flirting with danger without being caught up in it when it's too late to do anything about it.

[Damo70]

To piece together a couple of points I agree with in recent posts, if you keep flirting with relegation you will eventually drop. Because one year you won't be able to rely on three teams being worse than you.

[Phil from the upper holte]

I don't think it's a poor league, problem is that there are the top 6 and everyone else is in a similar position and trying to get into that top 6.

Sky put in a lot of money which enables clubs to buy better players, problem is that buying better players doesn't always guarentee you sucess..see Fulham.

Look at Scotland that's piss poor as is Holland, Belgium, Norway

Spain is predicable as is Germany.

I'd prefer our league over most