Transfer Speculation / Gossip

[hilts_coolerking]

Whilst I'm directing things at you you made a point of 'signing from the bargain bins with no indication of things getting better' (I'm paraphrasing). It's a good idea to stop for a second and realise that there is also no sign of things not getting better.  During Lerner's time at the club we have a net spend of £20m a season and we've had a statement from him this week basically saying things are going to continue as normal for the time being.  Given that it's fair to assume that we will still have that £20m to spend.

Can you break that figure down into a season-by-season spend please?

[paul_e]

There's already a website for that - http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/aston-villa-transfers.html

As for your previous response, what your saying is that he/we should forget about how much of his money he's put in so far and just ask for more.  I don't really care how rich he is it's up to him what of his personal wealth he is willing (and able, remember a lot of his money is tied up in a trust where he isn't the only beneficiary) to put into the club, if he looks at the full accounts for the last 8 years and thinks "fuck this I'm done" then that's fair enough.  We're fans, we'd all love him to keep throwing money at us but it's just not going to happen.

[itbrvilla]

Carflos Cuellar..... Don't remember anyone called Carflos?

[RussellC]

There's already a website for that - http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/aston-villa-transfers.html

As for your previous response, what your saying is that he/we should forget about how much of his money he's put in so far and just ask for more.  I don't really care how rich he is it's up to him what of his personal wealth he is willing (and able, remember a lot of his money is tied up in a trust where he isn't the only beneficiary) to put into the club, if he looks at the full accounts for the last 8 years and thinks "fuck this I'm done" then that's fair enough.  We're fans, we'd all love him to keep throwing money at us but it's just not going to happen.

Not wanting to speak for another poster, but I think what's he's pointing to is a decline in spending, year-on-year, with the suggestion being that this does point to there being even further reductions in the outlay this summer.

[paul_e]

There's already a website for that - http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/aston-villa-transfers.html

As for your previous response, what your saying is that he/we should forget about how much of his money he's put in so far and just ask for more.  I don't really care how rich he is it's up to him what of his personal wealth he is willing (and able, remember a lot of his money is tied up in a trust where he isn't the only beneficiary) to put into the club, if he looks at the full accounts for the last 8 years and thinks "fuck this I'm done" then that's fair enough.  We're fans, we'd all love him to keep throwing money at us but it's just not going to happen.

Not wanting to speak for another poster, but I think what's he's pointing to is a decline in spending, year-on-year, with the suggestion being that this does point to there being even further reductions in the outlay this summer.

The numbers don't back that up.

The only year we spent significantly more than £20m was 08/09 and the only seasons where we've spent significantly less were under Houllier (who only had 1 January window, during which he broke our transfer record) and Mcleish and both were underpinned by big sales, we actually spent similar amounts to other windows.

[hilts_coolerking]

There's already a website for that - http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/aston-villa-transfers.html

As for your previous response, what your saying is that he/we should forget about how much of his money he's put in so far and just ask for more.  I don't really care how rich he is it's up to him what of his personal wealth he is willing (and able, remember a lot of his money is tied up in a trust where he isn't the only beneficiary) to put into the club, if he looks at the full accounts for the last 8 years and thinks "fuck this I'm done" then that's fair enough.  We're fans, we'd all love him to keep throwing money at us but it's just not going to happen.

Ta for the link.

How long is it going to be before the 'he spent a lot of money in the past' line goes past its expiration date?  What he has spent in the past is relevant only to Lerner.  I don't imagine Paul Lambert is telling him to put his wallet away because he spent a lot of money several years ago.  That money has gone and the current team or manager don't benefit from it at all.  We've signed two players over £5M in the last two seasons, compared with 16 over the previous 6.  The reason we've plummeted down the table is there for all to see.

[hilts_coolerking]

There's already a website for that - http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/aston-villa-transfers.html

As for your previous response, what your saying is that he/we should forget about how much of his money he's put in so far and just ask for more.  I don't really care how rich he is it's up to him what of his personal wealth he is willing (and able, remember a lot of his money is tied up in a trust where he isn't the only beneficiary) to put into the club, if he looks at the full accounts for the last 8 years and thinks "fuck this I'm done" then that's fair enough.  We're fans, we'd all love him to keep throwing money at us but it's just not going to happen.

Not wanting to speak for another poster, but I think what's he's pointing to is a decline in spending, year-on-year, with the suggestion being that this does point to there being even further reductions in the outlay this summer.

The numbers don't back that up.

The only year we spent significantly more than £20m was 08/09 and the only seasons where we've spent significantly less were under Houllier (who only had 1 January window, during which he broke our transfer record) and Mcleish and both were underpinned by big sales, we actually spent similar amounts to other windows.

By those figures (and my shonky maths) we've spent £213M in the 8 seasons since 06/07 and recouped £105M in the same period.  Leaving a balance of £108M.  So how does that work out at an average spend of £20M per season?

The value of the players bought by the club in the last three season is roughly half what it was in the three seasons before that.  So there has been a decline, and a marked one at that.

[Mister E]

There's already a website for that - http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/aston-villa-transfers.html

As for your previous response, what your saying is that he/we should forget about how much of his money he's put in so far and just ask for more.  I don't really care how rich he is it's up to him what of his personal wealth he is willing (and able, remember a lot of his money is tied up in a trust where he isn't the only beneficiary) to put into the club, if he looks at the full accounts for the last 8 years and thinks "fuck this I'm done" then that's fair enough.  We're fans, we'd all love him to keep throwing money at us but it's just not going to happen.

There's some dodgy stuff in there - CC in twice; Brad Guzan in twice; Brett Holman doesn't appear to have left us yet.

The net totals aren't too bad from an investment perspective ... until you look at the MON years.
It's easy to see why RL is getting out: horrible returns from the MON years.

If there is no obvious buyer currently and with the TV money kicking in, he ought to be putting in £15-20m now to make the team more interesting for any prospective buyers.

[Clampy]

Anyway, back to transfers. It looks like Sylla is off on loan to some turkish club whose name I can't pronounce so hopefully we've got a midfielder coming in.

[Tuscans]

Heard Dharma Sheth on SSN say we are interested in the Ghana winger Christian Atsu on loan...West Ham also interested.

[supertom]

Heard Dharma Sheth on SSN say we are interested in the Ghana winger Christian Atsu on loan...West Ham also interested.

IIRC he wasn't too shabby. Yet ANOTHER of the almost inumerable young players Chelsea are hoarding. I'd imagine that happily lend him to us as we're not a direct threat.

[godzvilla]

Another rumour that,s beginning to surface  is that we,ve made a bid for Ki Sung-yueng  of Swansea , now that would be a good signing  if the rumour had some credance ...if ! ,  ...................Godzvilla !

[BoskoDjembaSalifou]

Atsu would be a good signing. I was thinking about him and us the other day actually.

[ozzjim]

Atsu and Ki would both be excellent signings. In fact got them and did not lose anyone, I would be fairly please with the summer. Maybe a strong holding mid in there too.

[ez]

I see Grant Holt's just done a q&a session on twitter. A few villa questions answered.