The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

It seems he's staying so I think we should ramp up the protest for the Stoke home game which is basically don't turn up.
The only way we shift this clown is to stay away in our thousands .

My dad was saying the same earlier.  I've paid for my season ticket and will be there supporting the lads.

Same here I've paid for my ST. But enough is enough. The players don't even appreciate the support anyway. Only Hutton came over at Leicester at the end apparently (I'd left).

I know. But I hate not going. No matter how shit it is.
I left The match on 87 minutes on Saturday too.

I always stay 'til the end and did on Saturday.
But I had spent the vast majority of the 2nd half in almost stunned silence at how absolutely shite we were against Leicester Fkn City.
Hutton came over towards us and Brad sort of acknowledged our existence.
Gabby - local hero? Walked off with his head down, with most of the others.
This for the fans who brought the second strongest away following of the weekend's games.
Got my ST so will go this season and reconsider when we get to May/Lambert's departure...or not.

[tomd2103]

I don't think it will happen on Saturday unless they go 3 or 4 up. If we lose by the odd goal and put up a bit of a fight there'll be too many half and halfers in the crowd for it to get too nasty.

Agree.  It has all the makings of it happening the week after against Bournemouth though.

[Dave Cooper please]

Same here I've paid for my ST. But enough is enough. The players don't even appreciate the support anyway. Only Hutton came over at Leicester at the end apparently (I'd left).

Well if you had fucked off why should the players feel the need to come over to appreciate you?
Just saying like.

[pbavfckuwait]

Surely, bloody surely whoever was mad enough to give him a new 4 year contract, was not mad enough not to put in a maximum pay out clause, lets say a pound.

[claret and blue blood]

Really considered not using my ST on Saturday but my lad still wants to go,he's 17 and has only seen us be shite really.He loves Villa and I would love to see him enjoy some relative success i.e. Attacking teams at home with width and pace and going all out for a win right up to the final whistle.
We will be there on Saturday,unfortunately so will Lambert.I also thought that even jf you go back to his first game in charge ,West Ham away,that was similar to now,a 1-0 defeat to a newly promoted side ,hardly a shot on target and a profound sense of disappointment,the hallmarks of his reign.OUT !

[Toronto Villa]

I don't agree with all of this but most of it is pretty accurate and is another kick square in the testicles.

Aston Villa should be mixing it with Bayern Munich and Real Madrid... but right now Paul Lambert's troubled side are useless

Aston Villa have failed to score a single goal in their last four outings
They've scored 11 goals in 21 games... less than half the number QPR have
Fans are expecting a return to the days under former boss Martin O'Neill
But right now they have got more chance of slumming it with Swindon 
By ADRIAN DURHAM FOR MAILONLINE Follow @@talkSPORTDrive
PUBLISHED: 02:55 EST, 13 January 2015 | UPDATED: 02:55 EST, 13 January 2015
     
Aston Villa haven’t scored for four games, and they have scored only one goal in their last six outings in the Premier League.
Their tally of just 11 goals in 21 games so far this season is pathetic – it’s comfortably the lowest total in the Premier League and it’s less than half the number of goals Queens Park Rangers have managed.

Losing 1-0 at Leicester City on Saturday was as bad as it gets for Villa. They created virtually nothing, the fans booed them at half time and full time, chanted for Paul Lambert to go and told the manager he didn’t know what he was doing.

Aston Villa is one of England’s finest football clubs. The leading representative of England’s second city, they have reigned supreme at home and in Europe in the past and have a stadium that is the envy of many. But on the pitch right now they’re useless.
If the fans are expecting a return to the Martin O’Neill days when Villa challenged (albeit in vain) for a top four place, then that’s optimism gone mad. O’Neill left because he didn’t want to work within financial restrictions imposed by owner Randy Lerner. Lambert has taken the job on, occasionally he has got Villa playing some decent stuff but those games have been too infrequent, and right now they are non-existent.
 
Aston Villa shouldn’t be contenders at the top, but they shouldn’t be this bad. Fans fear a relegation fight and with good reason. I believe Lambert is a good manager who has lost his way. Fielding a midfield three of Ashley Westwood, Carlos Sanchez and Tom Cleverley against a team bottom of the table with only one home win all season is shameful. I’m a fan of Westwood as a holding midfielder, there’s a hint of Michael Carrick about him. But in terms of invention and creation there is nothing.

Further forward, Joe Cole looks like he’s retired already, Andreas Weimann’s progress has halted, Christian Benteke looks like he wants to be at another club while Gabriel Agbonlahor has everything a top striker needs – except that he’s a terrible finisher.

Elsewhere, contracts for top players are running out. Fabian Delph and Ron Vlaar will both have to leave in this window if Aston Villa want to make any money from them.
Take those two out of this squad and Villa are staring down the barrel of the Skybet Championship. Lambert is working within the confines of the financial equivalent of a gastric band set to its tightest, so I have some sympathy. Fat chance of Villa returning to glory in these circumstances.

But he isn’t helping himself at all. His teams have no enterprise, and are definitely not exciting to watch. There doesn’t even seem to be an intention to entertain the fans.
Losing is never good, but fans would be more willing to forgive if you were trying to do something positive. But losing while stinking the place out is harder to accept so that’s why Lambert is getting relentless grief from the fans.

The Villa story should be so different.

From the ownership of the club downwards, Aston Villa should be forward-thinking, progressive and successful. Villa need an owner who can grab hold of the club, and drag it back to where it should be. For a bright owner and for a dynamic manager there is the chance to achieve something special and memorable at a big club like Aston Villa. But nobody wants to seize that opportunity it seems.

Villa fans should be mixing it with Munich and Madrid just like they used to.
Right now they’re looking more likely to be slumming it with Swindon in the second tier of English football.

Sad times at Villa Park.

[john e]

Really considered not using my ST on Saturday but my lad still wants to go,he's 17 and has only seen us be shite really.He loves Villa and I would love to see him enjoy some relative success i.e. Attacking teams at home with width and pace and going all out for a win right up to the final whistle.
We will be there on Saturday,unfortunately so will Lambert.I also thought that even jf you go back to his first game in charge ,West Ham away,that was similar to now,a 1-0 defeat to a newly promoted side ,hardly a shot on target and a profound sense of disappointment,the hallmarks of his reign.OUT !

That's a good point,
I went to his first game at WH  and came away with renewed and fresh optimism at the way we were trying to play after the Mcliesh stuff,
I hoped we would improve and get it right,

but like you say it's similar to now so after umpteen different style of play changes and player age philosophies we are back where we started

[Malandro]

I don't agree with all of this but most of it is pretty accurate and is another kick square in the testicles.

Aston Villa should be mixing it with Bayern Munich and Real Madrid... but right now Paul Lambert's troubled side are useless

Aston Villa have failed to score a single goal in their last four outings
They've scored 11 goals in 21 games... less than half the number QPR have
Fans are expecting a return to the days under former boss Martin O'Neill
But right now they have got more chance of slumming it with Swindon 
By ADRIAN DURHAM FOR MAILONLINE Follow @@talkSPORTDrive
PUBLISHED: 02:55 EST, 13 January 2015 | UPDATED: 02:55 EST, 13 January 2015
     
Aston Villa haven’t scored for four games, and they have scored only one goal in their last six outings in the Premier League.
Their tally of just 11 goals in 21 games so far this season is pathetic – it’s comfortably the lowest total in the Premier League and it’s less than half the number of goals Queens Park Rangers have managed.

Losing 1-0 at Leicester City on Saturday was as bad as it gets for Villa. They created virtually nothing, the fans booed them at half time and full time, chanted for Paul Lambert to go and told the manager he didn’t know what he was doing.

Aston Villa is one of England’s finest football clubs. The leading representative of England’s second city, they have reigned supreme at home and in Europe in the past and have a stadium that is the envy of many. But on the pitch right now they’re useless.
If the fans are expecting a return to the Martin O’Neill days when Villa challenged (albeit in vain) for a top four place, then that’s optimism gone mad. O’Neill left because he didn’t want to work within financial restrictions imposed by owner Randy Lerner. Lambert has taken the job on, occasionally he has got Villa playing some decent stuff but those games have been too infrequent, and right now they are non-
 
Aston Villa shouldn’t be contenders at the top, but they shouldn’t be this bad. Fans fear a relegation fight and with good reason. I believe Lambert is a good manager who has lost his way. Fielding a midfield three of Ashley Westwood, Carlos Sanchez and Tom Cleverley against a team bottom of the table with only one home win all season is shameful. I’m a fan of Westwood as a holding midfielder, there’s a hint of Michael Carrick about him. But in terms of invention and creation there is nothing.

Further forward, Joe Cole looks like he’s retired already, Andreas Weimann’s progress has halted, Christian Benteke looks like he wants to be at another club while Gabriel Agbonlahor has everything a top striker needs – except that he’s a terrible finisher.

Elsewhere, contracts for top players are running out. Fabian Delph and Ron Vlaar will both have to leave in this window if Aston Villa want to make any money from them.
Take those two out of this squad and Villa are staring down the barrel of the Skybet Championship. Lambert is working within the confines of the financial equivalent of a gastric band set to its tightest, so I have some sympathy. Fat chance of Villa returning to glory in these circumstances.

But he isn’t helping himself at all. His teams have no enterprise, and are definitely not exciting to watch. There doesn’t even seem to be an intention to entertain the fans.
Losing is never good, but fans would be more willing to forgive if you were trying to do something positive. But losing while stinking the place out is harder to accept so that’s why Lambert is getting relentless grief from the fans.

The Villa story should be so different.

From the ownership of the club downwards, Aston Villa should be forward-thinking, progressive and successful. Villa need an owner who can grab hold of the club, and drag it back to where it should be. For a bright owner and for a dynamic manager there is the chance to achieve something special and memorable at a big club like Aston Villa. But nobody wants to seize that opportunity it seems.

Villa fans should be mixing it with Munich and Madrid just like they used to.
Right now they’re looking more likely to be slumming it with Swindon in the second tier of English football.

Sad times at Villa Park.

beat me to it.

I hope Lerner reads that.

It must be harder to digest when the papers start writing the same as the fans (despite it being Daily Mail)

[silhillvilla]

Same here I've paid for my ST. But enough is enough. The players don't even appreciate the support anyway. Only Hutton came over at Leicester at the end apparently (I'd left).

Well if you had fucked off why should the players feel the need to come over to appreciate you?
Just saying like.

How about those who stayed to the bitter end ? Did they not deserve some acknowledgement ??

[Clampy]

I'll tell you why I think he should go more than anything. Even if we do happen to beat Liverpool, then get past Bournemouth then follow it up with a decent point at Arsenal, you just know that the good run won't last. It'll fall apart again at some point and it'll be back to square one.

[Malandro]

'Metro' have also just printed a damning article : http://metro.co.uk/2015/01/13/paul-lambert-has-his-head-in-the-sand-if-he-thinks-aston-villa-fans-expect-too-much-5019528/

About time.

[McGraths Dry Cleaning]

The media narrative has changed and the rest of the press will follow now the eye of sauron has landed on Lambert. Everything about Villa in the press will be about this and how the fans, team, club, Lerner and Lambert react.

[Ads]

I remember driving back from the final game at Norwich where we played 7 defenders in a dead rubber with Heskey up front and just feeling really empty. Normally I can muster enthusiasm, but the glass was definitely empty after that with only the hope of McLeish being sacked acting as a ray of light.

I feel pretty similar now to be honest. Leicester was easily the worst away performance since the defeat to Spurs under McLeish, even worse than all the drubbings, because we played the poorest side in the league, with the best squad we have had (alright, it isn't great) since Houllier and we mustered nothing. Not a bean and we could, if Leicester weren't terrible, have lost 4 or 5 nil.

The difference now though, is that there isn’t the comfort that the manager will be sacked, because it’s clear what Lerner wants to do and it doesn’t involve anything positive or proactive. So you’re left with this feeling that we will keep repeating this negative and insipid football for another three seasons at least, making it 8 years of struggle.

We have now gone full circle and back to how we played at West Ham in Lambert’s first game. Keeping the ball, but going nowhere and never threatening. We have had occasional moments of joy where we have looked good again, Swansea, Sunderland and Chelsea at home is probably the sum total across two and a half seasons. Liverpool, Stoke and Arsenal away stand out too, but you’re clutching at a handful of results out of nearly 100 league games and that is without looking at the repeated failures against second, third and fourth division rubbish in the cups.

It’s a never ending cycle of tedium and its got very, very boring.

[Malandro]

I remember driving back from the final game at Norwich where we played 7 defenders in a dead rubber with Heskey up front and just feeling really empty. Normally I can muster enthusiasm, but the glass was definitely empty after that with only the hope of McLeish being sacked acting as a ray of light.

I feel pretty similar now to be honest. Leicester was easily the worst away performance since the defeat to Spurs under McLeish, even worse than all the drubbings, because we played the poorest side in the league, with the best squad we have had (alright, it isn't great) since Houllier and we mustered nothing. Not a bean and we could, if Leicester weren't terrible, have lost 4 or 5 nil.

The difference now though, is that there isn’t the comfort that the manager will be sacked, because it’s clear what Lerner wants to do and it doesn’t involve anything positive or proactive. So you’re left with this feeling that we will keep repeating this negative and insipid football for another three seasons at least, making it 8 years of struggle.

We have now gone full circle and back to how we played at West Ham in Lambert’s first game. Keeping the ball, but going nowhere and never threatening. We have had occasional moments of joy where we have looked good again, Swansea, Sunderland and Chelsea at home is probably the sum total across two and a half seasons. Liverpool, Stoke and Arsenal away stand out too, but you’re clutching at a handful of results out of nearly 100 league games and that is without looking at the repeated failures against second, third and fourth division rubbish in the cups.

It’s a never ending cycle of tedium and its got very, very boring.

exactly and the main point is that it isn't the worst squad we've seen - its a very bemusing situation.

[Damo70]

Pardew bailing out of Newcastle has put the spotlight firmly on Lambert. Unless Rodgers and Liverpool go into freefall I can see a lot of pressure building locally and nationally on our manager.