10 year Premier League table

[KevinGage]

You'll have to explain that one to me.

So we weren't in a relegation battle under GH in 2010/11, when we only guaranteed safety on the second last weekend of the campaign.

But we were when we finished 7th under JG and qualified for Europe? 

We were something like 14th when BL left. Not great, but his departure wasn't entirely down to results.  We won the next game against Liverpool and moved up to mid table by the end of Feb.

[SheffieldVillain]

You'll have to explain that one to me.

So we weren't in a relegation battle under GH in 2010/11, when we only guaranteed safety on the second last weekend of the campaign.

But we were when we finished 7th under JG and qualified for Europe? 

We were something like 14th when BL left. Not great, but his departure wasn't entirely down to results.  We won the next game against Liverpool and moved up to mid table by the end of Feb.

If that was aimed at me, I didn't say we weren't in a relegation battle under Houllier. We quite clearly were. As we were when John Gregory took over from Brian Little.

[PeterWithesShin]

We were 15th and had won 1 in 7 when Brian left. Beating Liverpool took us 14th. We're currently 13th but a number of people think we are in a relegation battle.

[KevinGage]

No, it was at PWS.

[saunders_heroes]

Three. We were in the shit when Gregory took us over in Feb.

We finished 7th in '98. I defy anyone to claim finishing 7th is a relegation battle.
Are you being serious?

So if we are 15th in feb and on a run of 1 win in 7 you won't be worried and call it a relegation battle?

And I'm pretty sure you class finishing 9th under GH as a relegation battle season.

We finished 17 points above the relegation zone in '98 and finished 7th. That is not a relegation battle no matter how dress it up.
We rallied at the end of the Houllier season, I'll give you that, but for most part we struggled and we've continued to struggle from then on.

[saunders_heroes]

We were 15th and had won 1 in 7 when Brian left. Beating Liverpool took us 14th. We're currently 13th but a number of people think we are in a relegation battle.

Do you think we're in a relegation battle this season?

[PeterWithesShin]

Less of one than I did in 98 when Brian lost at Wimbledon.

[KevinGage]

The difference was in 1998 (and in 2011, to an extent) was we looked like a big club underperforming, a side who were out of place at that end of the table.

Now we quite comfortably look like one of the worst sides in the division. 

Also, In Gregory's first season we were nowhere near relegation concerns in March and April. Under Houllier, there was a nervousness and general shiteness to our play right up until the end of April.

[saunders_heroes]

The difference was in 1998 (and in 2011, to an extent) was we looked like a big club underperforming, a side who were out of place at that end of the table.

Now we quite comfortably look like one of the worst sides in the division. 

Also, In Gregory's first season we were nowhere near relegation concerns in March and April. Under Houllier, there was a nervousness and general shiteness to our play right up until the end of April.

Spot on.

[saunders_heroes]

Less of one than I did in 98 when Brian lost at Wimbledon.

This team is comfortably worse than the Little team of '98. As kevingage just said, we were underperforming back then. Now though it's sad to say, we have a team full of players who are not PL standard and there is a genuine fear of relegation about the place.

[Dante Lavelli]

So to sum up - if we take out all the good years, and take away all the teams who are worse than us, we're at the bottom.

If you took out the 3 or so good years we'd be bottom of the ever present table and not 2nd bottom.
Now matter how you try, Dave, you'll struggle to find a positive with this topic.

I'm sure this has been responded to in the next few pages but it's such a bizarre comment that I couldn't ignore it. 
How about the positive that we haven't been relegated?  That big one, which 20 of the 30 clubs in the table would love to be able to say?

[kippaxvilla2]

You can draw up a table over any period in the last thirty years for definite and probably longer than that and our home form will look comparatively poor. We've never been particularly good at home.

Maybe there's a gypsy's curse.  Maybe we need Lambert to wee in each corner of the ground to help lift it.

[saunders_heroes]

So to sum up - if we take out all the good years, and take away all the teams who are worse than us, we're at the bottom.

If you took out the 3 or so good years we'd be bottom of the ever present table and not 2nd bottom.
Now matter how you try, Dave, you'll struggle to find a positive with this topic.

I'm sure this has been responded to in the next few pages but it's such a bizarre comment that I couldn't ignore it. 
How about the positive that we haven't been relegated?  That big one, which 20 of the 30 clubs in the table would love to be able to say?

We haven't been relegated. That's wonderful!

[Clampy]

I think the time to discuss whether we're in a relegation battle or not is in March.

[saunders_heroes]

I think the time to discuss whether we're in a relegation battle or not is in March.

Honestly, do you really think this team isn't relegation battle material?