Aston Villa v Crystal Palace Post-Match Thread

[eastie]

I know it's a cliche but some cliches are true, but if you pay peanuts you get monkeys. It's Lerner's pitiful budget that is dragging us down. This is why the likes of Martinez and OGS turned us down. They took one look at their budget and said "no thanks". Until this changes we'll always be a perennial relegation battler or even a Championship club.

I don't think OGS turned us down because of budget , it was made difficult for him to leave molde at the time and they are hardly big spending themselves .
I think he is more gettable now .

[JUAN PABLO]

Lets find the positives then. errrr.....

65% possession, their keeper made some nice saves and we lost at the last gasp to a very nice strike?

Thats all I got

and Guzan was probably our MOM

[cheadlevilla]

I was in the "give him some time to see it through" camp until today..... But that's enough for me.   No leadership at pitch level, dugout level or boardroom level.   No passion, no real hope.
It's just bloody boring !!!    And as for improving when powderpuff Ron comes back .. I'm not convinced and Benteke seems to be killing time until the summer
I want to be excited by the Villa. By the signings, the football and the atmosphere !!!
Please make it happen

[pauliewalnuts]

I know it's a cliche but some cliches are true, but if you pay peanuts you get monkeys. It's Lerner's pitiful budget that is dragging us down. This is why the likes of Martinez and OGS turned us down. They took one look at their budget and said "no thanks". Until this changes we'll always be a perennial relegation battler or even a Championship club.

This is true.

Championship wages = championship players.

Championship players = Championship eventually.

It isn't a bold experiment, this is ridiculously optimistic cheapness. They can tell themselves it is about young and hungry all they like but this is a truly pathetic squad.

[Monty]

I really think he wants it to be better.

I really think he has signed some players who will turn out to have good Villa careers.

I really think he sees that the style of play isn't good enough.

However, he clearly does not know what to do. He signs players who can play good passing football, but has no idea how to coach them to do it. So sometimes they pass the ball well kind of by accident, but mostly they're clueless and aimless in possession. For that reason alone, he cannot continue. If he won't improve, then he must go.

I'm never quite sure why with Lambert people always talk about him "wanting things to be better".

As though there are managers out there who "want" to be shit and to lose football matches...

Sorry, that's not a dig at you, I just think Lambert gets so much good will it's untrue at times.

I understand that, I merely meant to explain why Lambert got so much goodwill. McLeish thought everything was fine, that's just how he played, but Lambert clearly wanted things to be better so people like me gave him some goodwill in exchange for his own good intentions (and before anyone says it's just because of the flaws of his predecessor, save your breath - of course it was).

I think he's signed players who are meant to play good football, and at times, by some accident of their qualities, they do. The problem is that Lambert, unlike Martinez or Rodgers or OGS (as we saw on that Youtube programme), surely doesn't understand how to make them play this way consistently and as a gameplan and definitely doesn't get them to train in the obsessively practising way that those managers do with their players. Lambert wanted it to succeed and I wanted him to succeed, but I just don't think he understands training or modern footballing strategies, and if he continues not to then he must go.

[JUAN PABLO]

I know it's a cliche but some cliches are true, but if you pay peanuts you get monkeys. It's Lerner's pitiful budget that is dragging us down. This is why the likes of Martinez and OGS turned us down. They took one look at their budget and said "no thanks". Until this changes we'll always be a perennial relegation battler or even a Championship club.

doubt it was the budget with OGS  . I think they offered more wages in the end .

[JUAN PABLO]

so how many home wins in 2013 ?

[Steve67]

I know it's a cliche but some cliches are true, but if you pay peanuts you get monkeys. It's Lerner's pitiful budget that is dragging us down. This is why the likes of Martinez and OGS turned us down. They took one look at their budget and said "no thanks". Until this changes we'll always be a perennial relegation battler or even a Championship club.

This is true.

Championship wages = championship players.

Championship players = Championship eventually.

It isn't a bold experiment, this is ridiculously optimistic cheapness. They can tell themselves it is about young and hungry all they like but this is a truly pathetic squad.

I think Lerner is gambling with the immediate future of the club with the strategy he is allowing Lambert to take.  Pay peanuts, get monkeys is fair enough a saying, wanting to follow the Dortmund pathway is also not likely to work in the Premiership because the money is so well spread out at the lower bits of the table.  I fully expect both Fulham and Palace to spend some money in the TW.

[JUAN PABLO]

he looked clueless when he hurried off at the end too

[Tuscans]

so how many home wins in 2013 ?

5 in the league in 2013....FIVE!!!!

[London Villan]

so how many home wins in 2013 ?

Truly pathetic again today... as was Lambert hiding in the dugout once they scored. He needs to stand up and take some responsibility for the money he has wasted on a bunch of poor players....

[Ivo Stas]

Some thoughts:

Spooky how history repeats: last year we followed a great away win (at Liverpool then, at Saints now) with a run of awful defeats whilst missing Ron Vlaar.

Weimann should not play out wide (on either wing) in a 4-4-2.

Delph for England? Not on today's performance. I can remember three times he put us in jeopard losing possession and he if he couldn't tackle Gayle or show him wide at the end, then he should have fouled him.

How bad must Gardner and Helenius be in training if they can't get even a few minutes in this side?

Of the recent four defeats, three have been against Fulham, stoke and Palace - I'd have hoped for something like four points, at least, from those games. That's a big worry.

Why is it that we play teams after they replace their manager, rather than before, this season? Why couldn't we have played Fulham with Jol, Palace with Holloway and Sunderland with Di Canio?

I'd still stick with Lambert, seeing as he has been here and rescued us before. But he must buy a midfielder of the standard of a Gary Parker or a Mark Draper.

Does anyone remember how many points we had after Boxing Day last season?

[VinnieChase84]

Failing to score in 6 out of. 9 home games is utterly ridiculous. He should be sacked on that alone. This is the man who allegedly was about playing football the right way. Truley feel enough is enough for a lot of people tonight. Lambert should walk away.
Another defeat against Swansea and that's 5 loses on the bounce all against sides below or around us in the table. Can he survive that?

[Legion]

Guzan Least shit player we've got
Lowton Shit
Clark Very shit
Baker Extremely shit
Luna Amazingly shit
Albrighton Averagely shit
El Ahmadi Monumentally shit
Weimann Outstandingly shit
Delph Pretty shit
Agbonlahor Medium shit
Kozak Massively shit
Bacuna Fairly shit
Bowery Championshit
Tonev Mildly shit
Lambert He picked us up and we were shit again

[Bad English]

He picks his P45 up and we go again.