Takeover rumours

[Ad@m]

What if the relationship is not like that though?

3 or 4 phone calls a day - that's 1,000+ phone calls a year!  They may well love working like that together - it just sounds pretty far fetched to me.

[eastie]

@patmurphybbc: Paul Faulkner CEO of @AVFCOfficial  has just told me he's spoken to Randy Lerner,who's rubbished stories that he's looking to sell up.

[Matt Collins]

Not sure how reliable it is but talksport reckon villa have had the fourth highest net spend since 2008.

[ozzjim]

Not sure how reliable it is but talksport reckon villa have had the fourth highest net spend since 2008.

I reckon it will be not far off. We have just spent, prior to Lambert, abysmally. At least Lambert could sell his signings at a significant profit now.

[supertom]

Not sure how reliable it is but talksport reckon villa have had the fourth highest net spend since 2008.

Sounds about right given how little we've recouped on players, and how much we spent. That would still include two summers of O Neill's spending. We made money on Young, Downing and Milner in that time, but our net despite that, must still be very high. Despite how little we've spent under Lambert, we've not really sold anyone for anything of note either. 
Newcastle conversely had the lowest from the table I saw.

[Fergal]

Not sure how reliable it is but talksport reckon villa have had the fourth highest net spend since 2008.

Sounds about right given how little we've recouped on players, and how much we spent. That would still include two summers of O Neill's spending. We made money on Young, Downing and Milner in that time, but our net despite that, must still be very high. Despite how little we've spent under Lambert, we've not really sold anyone for anything of note either. 
Newcastle conversely had the lowest from the table I saw.

That just goes to show how badly we have been run.

[Fergal]

I can see no other logical reason for the hugely risky cost cutting that we've seen over the last few years other than RL preparing the club for sale

i
How about because we were spending more than we were earning?

Is that the case now?

Doubt it, how much do sky put in, then there is sponsor, ticket sales, corporate etc

Obviously I can't prove it but Randy must be making a fair bit of money these days.  Doesn't he also charge a management fee?

Yet again - the club's accounts are freely available. Have a look at them and see if you can find this "fair bit of money".

If we are still making a loss with our current wage bill and what we are prepared to pay for players then we must be in shit street. 
How do other clubs sustain a squad on premiership wages?

[Steve R]

I hope Lerner is staying. He is trustworthy and there has been ample evidence that he 'gets' Aston Villa. If there are few out there that would spend 200 mill on mid table football club there will be even fewer that give a monkeys about what Villa stands for.

As an aside, if we're using the accounts from the McLeish year as a starting point, players who were then on the payroll but have since departed :-

Warnock, Collins, Dunne, Heskey, Bannan, Ireland, Delfouneso, Cuellar, Makoun, Beye

Pretty frightening when you consider what that group actually contributed on the field.

Petrov and Lichaj have also departed. I'd make getting on for 25 million in wages clawed back. I would be surprised if their replacements are being paid more than a third of that.

[Ad@m]

I hope Lerner is staying. He is trustworthy and there has been ample evidence that he 'gets' Aston Villa. If there are few out there that would spend 200 mill on mid table football club there will be even fewer that give a monkeys about what Villa stands for.

As an aside, if we're using the accounts from the McLeish year as a starting point, players who were then on the payroll but have since departed :-

Warnock, Collins, Dunne, Heskey, Bannan, Ireland, Delfouneso, Cuellar, Makoun, Beye

Pretty frightening when you consider what that group actually contributed on the field.

Petrov and Lichaj have also departed. I'd make getting on for 25 million in wages clawed back. I would be surprised if their replacements are being paid more than a third of that.

I don't think it's quite £25m per year saved from that lot.  Warnock, Collins, Dunne, Heskey, Ireland, Cuellar, and Beye probably averaged £40k a week.  That would be almost £15m.  Bannan and the Fonz won't have been on much as they're academy grads.  Jean Deux won't have been on much either as he came from the French league.

That said, you need to add Bent and Given to that list too - both of whom were probably on £40k-£60k a week.  I know they're both on loan officially but don't their contracts expire at the end of this season so we'll never see them again?

I think that by the end of this season the wages will be where Randy wants them to be.  I think this Summer will be really interesting as a result.

[ozzjim]

Jean 2M was on a decent whack, and Bannan was too. Add in Given and Bent and 25m is getting there. Heskey was on near 70 wasn't he?

[dave.woodhall]

I can see no other logical reason for the hugely risky cost cutting that we've seen over the last few years other than RL preparing the club for sale

i
How about because we were spending more than we were earning?

Is that the case now?

Doubt it, how much do sky put in, then there is sponsor, ticket sales, corporate etc

Obviously I can't prove it but Randy must be making a fair bit of money these days.  Doesn't he also charge a management fee?

Yet again - the club's accounts are freely available. Have a look at them and see if you can find this "fair bit of money".

If we are still making a loss with our current wage bill and what we are prepared to pay for players then we must be in shit street. 
How do other clubs sustain a squad on premiership wages?

You were just asking about money that he's supposedly taking out. Nobody mentioned losses.

[JUAN PABLO]

Jean 2M was on a decent whack, and Bannan was too. Add in Given and Bent and 25m is getting there. Heskey was on near 70 wasn't he?

talking of Heskey did anyone see his sitter he missed   


http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/video/terrible-miss-emile-heskey-180509493.html

[Fergal]

I can see no other logical reason for the hugely risky cost cutting that we've seen over the last few years other than RL preparing the club for sale

i
How about because we were spending more than we were earning?

Is that the case now?

Doubt it, how much do sky put in, then there is sponsor, ticket sales, corporate etc

Obviously I can't prove it but Randy must be making a fair bit of money these days.  Doesn't he also charge a management fee?

Yet again - the club's accounts are freely available. Have a look at them and see if you can find this "fair bit of money".

If we are still making a loss with our current wage bill and what we are prepared to pay for players then we must be in shit street. 
How do other clubs sustain a squad on premiership wages?

You were just asking about money that he's supposedly taking out. Nobody mentioned losses.

I think it's relevant to the discussion.  If we are making money where is it going?

[Steve R]

I'm guessing the same as anyone else but I got 25 mill from

Warnock 2.5
Collins 2.5
Dunne 3
Heskey 3
Bannan 1
Ireland 3
Delfouneso 1
Cuellar 2.5
Makoun 1.5
Beye 2
Petrov 3
Lichaj bugger all

I may be a half a mill out here and there but the end result is still going to be about 25 mill in total.

[dave.woodhall]

I can see no other logical reason for the hugely risky cost cutting that we've seen over the last few years other than RL preparing the club for sale

i
How about because we were spending more than we were earning?

Is that the case now?

Doubt it, how much do sky put in, then there is sponsor, ticket sales, corporate etc

Obviously I can't prove it but Randy must be making a fair bit of money these days.  Doesn't he also charge a management fee?

Yet again - the club's accounts are freely available. Have a look at them and see if you can find this "fair bit of money".

If we are still making a loss with our current wage bill and what we are prepared to pay for players then we must be in shit street. 
How do other clubs sustain a squad on premiership wages?

You were just asking about money that he's supposedly taking out. Nobody mentioned losses.

I think it's relevant to the discussion.  If we are making money where is it going?

Nobody knows if we're making money or not until the accounts are published. Every set from previous years has shown that he has either put more in or cancelled what he was due to take out. You can blame him for many things but to keep insinuating, against all evidence, that he's making money out of the Villa is extremely wide of the mark.