Ashes 2013/14

[paul_e]

That's my biggest problem with the Flower/Cook pairing, The senior players (other than KP) have been treated with kid gloves and given all the support you could ask for, the fringe players have pretty much all been shit on at various points.  To me it feels a lot like MONs villa, once you made it into the 'elite' you were there for good and everyone else was just injury cover and scapegoats.

[dcdavecollett]

I don't blame Cook for not bowling Kerrigan. The team were struggling and couldn't afford to give away cheap runs.

the selection was a touch left-field and Cook is not a selector; why would he bring on a bowler who looks like a pie-thrower? (c. R. Marsh).

[paul_e]

the problem though was to call him up, give him 8 overs and then drop him from both the squad and lions squad as well.  That's just poor all round.

[tomd2103]

the problem though was to call him up, give him 8 overs and then drop him from both the squad and lions squad as well.  That's just poor all round.

Yep.  It's the kind of treatment of players we used to see in the 90's -

* Pick a player who is doing well in county cricket
* Player doesn't do well in his first test match
* Oh he's rubbish, let's get him out of the team
* Repeat process
 

[PaulWinch again]

I don't blame Cook for not bowling Kerrigan. The team were struggling and couldn't afford to give away cheap runs.

the selection was a touch left-field and Cook is not a selector; why would he bring on a bowler who looks like a pie-thrower? (c. R. Marsh).

His form in county cricket suggests he's not a pie thrower and to call him up give him 8 overs where he struggled and then not bowl him again is appalling captaincy and management. It's also worth noting that same Australian team has battered Swann out of the attack and did the same to Tredwell in the ODIs. So maybe it's not just about Kerrigan.

[PaulWinch again]

I agree with Paul that it does seem there are about 6 or 7 players in the country that get all the support and back up they need and then everyone else is a bit on the outside, that situation must change and quickly. It's a worry about Finn as it sounds like he can't even let go of the ball anymore, he needs a month off to clear his head.

[dcdavecollett]

Cook should not have had a voice in Kerrigan's selection.

You don't bowl someone if they're bowling rubbish -Vaughan never made that mistake, one reason he was one of the best captains we've had since Brearley.

[PaulWinch again]

Cook should not have had a voice in Kerrigan's selection.

You don't bowl someone if they're bowling rubbish -Vaughan never made that mistake, one reason he was one of the best captains we've had since Brearley.

If you listen to Vaughan's view on what happened to Kerrigan you'd be surprised. He said it's fine taking him off, but not bringing him back for a chance to redeem himself is wrong.

[PaulWinch again]

Fantastic innings by Morgan and he definitely should be in the Test reckoning for me, we need that some of impetus. I also really like Jordan as a bowler.

[paul_e]

Good start with the ball today, Warner, Finch and Clarke all gone cheaply.  Jordan boeling with a bit of aggression and pace again, I'd be very tempted to have a look at him in the Sri Lanka Tests.

[Villan For Life]

Fantastic innings by Morgan and he definitely should be in the Test reckoning for me, we need that some of impetus. I also really like Jordan as a bowler.

I like Morgan, his unorthodox style makes him a joy to watch. I think he's been found wanting at test level which is a shame.

[PaulWinch again]

That is one of the most disasterous defeats we've suffered on tour. To lose from the position we were in is absolutely shocking.

[PGW]

That is one of the most disasterous defeats we've suffered on tour. To lose from the position we were in is absolutely shocking.

I can't believe that...they were nowhere to be seen with 5 or 6 overs to go - he decided to go after Stokes and smashed him everywhere.

[PaulWinch again]

Well Bresnan bowled one of the poorest final overs I've seen if you consider his experience level.

[PaulWinch again]

I would  have thought this'll be 5-0 now as well, we won't get a better chance to win.