Ashes 2013/14

[paul_e]

So the Aussies surround our last batsman and the 2 umpires have to intervene and call in Michael Clarke only for the stump mic to pick up his 'get ready for a broken fucking arm'- vile scum !


There is a way to win - these tossers have no class or morals - lets pulverise them from here on and rub their dirty Aussie noses in the dirt - we know what they are!

That's some mightily impressive moral outrage there,  be careful you don't have a stroke. Have the nasty Aussie's upset you

No wombat, there is a way to win with class - your boys lack it but that's understandable - great motivation for us to rub your noses in it and put the Aussies back in their box though

Come on Eastie, that's sanctimonious nonsense. If the boot had been on the other foot you would be revelling in it. What exactly did the Aussies do wrong? ( apart from win the match of course ). Are you telling me sledging and intimidatory bowling aren't well within the rules of the game now? England lost because Australia played better cricket and also because some of your batsmen need to grow a pair. If England respond and turn things around then all well and good but blubbing when things get a bit feisty isn't going to cut it

What the aussies did wrong is 2 fold:

Warner's comments about Trott were in very bad taste, especially given his actions in the summer, he needs to wind it in.
Threatening someone with a broken arm is far beyond acceptable sledging, for it to have come from the Captain again is very bad taste.

All the shit with Broad in the press is pretty pathetic as well, as if no Australian has ever stood their ground when they know they've hit it, it was all a bit pantomime, not saying it was particularly wrong but I'd be far from 'revelling' in it, If the British press did the same I'd be ashamed (to be fair, they made Warner a bit of a villain, but the circumstances are rather different).

Moving on...

Trott out, that's a shame as I really wanted to see him turn it around, he has the quality to do it, but clearly he's not been mentally right, I think it all started with the slow scoring at home to NZ, he got a lot of crap for playing the game his way and I think he let it get to him, ever since he's given his wicket away too often playing shots that just weren't on.

I'm not sure what we should do though, Root up to 3 and Ballance in at 6 is probably the best idea but dumping Ballance in to the middle order for an important Ashes test is a bit harsh, I think I'd be more inclined to give him a go that go with Bairstow who i just don't think has the game to play internationally at the moment.  Alternatively we could change tack and throw Bresnan in for the extra seamer, you'd think it'd weaken our batting but given the form of Trott it probably doesn't, Bresnan can get most of those runs and it means we can bring Finn in for Tremlett and use 2 of Finn, Broad or Jimmy as strike bowlers with Bres and the other quick keeping it tight at the other end, it also means that we can hold Swann back a little when the conditions aren't there for him.

[eastie]

Wombat - there is a way to win with class which your boys lack!
If it is fair game can you explain why Clarke has pleaded guilty to using threatening and obscene language and been fined this morning ?

Be afraid - very afraid , we will come out all guns blazing and blow you Aussies away now!

[eastie]

@MichaelVaughan: I do feel guilty for criticising Trott this week .. I wasn't to know what he was going through and I can only comment on what I see ...

[paul_e]

@MichaelVaughan: I do feel guilty for criticising Trott this week .. I wasn't to know what he was going through and I can only comment on what I see ...

The only person who needs to apologise for comments made towards Trott won't be doing anything of the sort.  The truth is Trott wasn't mentally right to be playing in this series, most commentators said as much, who was to know why he wasn't mentally right.  It's a shame and he deserves support, like anyone, to help him get through it but thinking he looked off the game before it came out isn't wrong, he did look a long way short of the quality you'd expect.

[eastie]

@MichaelVaughan: I do feel guilty for criticising Trott this week .. I wasn't to know what he was going through and I can only comment on what I see ...

The only person who needs to apologise for comments made towards Trott won't be doing anything of the sort.  The truth is Trott wasn't mentally right to be playing in this series, most commentators said as much, who was to know why he wasn't mentally right.  It's a shame and he deserves support, like anyone, to help him get through it but thinking he looked off the game before it came out isn't wrong, he did look a long way short of the quality you'd expect.

Agreed.

[olaftab]

I guss it will be typical of Aussies to regard Trott leaving as quitting because he had no stomach to stand up to them. Just waiting for comments to that extent.

[Hoppo]

Wouldn't we be better calling up Nick Compton? Anyway feck The Aussies. I wouldn't recognise any of them if they hit me in The Aussie Bar.

[Damo70]

The Aussies are making a lot of us feeling the pressure but the behaviour of Clarke and some others suggests they aren't immune to the pressure of their situation.

[fredm]

But if Trott was in such a condition mentally why the hell wasn't it picked up by the entourage that accompanies these guys nowadays?  Everybody knew what the aussies were going to do, they had been shouting it from the roof tops enough, so surely someone should have picked up on Trotts condition as not being able to confront the sort of bowling he got.

[eastie]

But if Trott was in such a condition mentally why the hell wasn't it picked up by the entourage that accompanies these guys nowadays?  Everybody knew what the aussies were going to do, they had been shouting it from the roof tops enough, so surely someone should have picked up on Trotts condition as not being able to confront the sort of bowling he got.

Flower said trott has been suffering for a while and they managed to control it during the summer - they knew all about it and felt it could b managed- seems things  have now progressed too far .

[eastie]

Wouldn't we be better calling up Nick Compton? Anyway feck The Aussies. I wouldn't recognise any of them if they hit me in The Aussie Bar.

Nobody will be called up - I think Compton probably burnt his bridges with flower when he went public in the summer in any case.

[Hoppo]

I agree with you but in circumstances like today you call him up.

[eastie]

I agree with you but in circumstances like today you call him up.

Not sure he's better than what we have there to be honest.

@StuartBroad8: Love Trotty. Absolute champion of a man. He knows he has all the support of all the people around him. Puts cricket in perspective

[PaulWinch again]

It does explain why Trott's form has been declining for a while now.

[eastie]

@Swannyg66: Glad there are so many good people out there showing support for Trotty. Those who aren't can quite frankly crawl back into the pond