So what went wrong with Barry Bannan?

[olaftab]

Have you noticed how the  big Bookies are redeveloping and modernising their "shops" whilst other multi-national traders have long quit many of the High Streets?

[not3bad]

Aye.  Bookies, payday loan firms and £1 bargain shops.  The future of the highstreet.

[GordonCowansisthegreatest]

Aye.  Bookies, payday loan firms and £1 bargain shops.  The future of the highstreet.

You missed out the Charity Shops.

[Concrete John]

I know size shouldn't matter, but football is a physical game and it does.  A player like Bannan needs to be VERY good to make up for his size.  He's good, but not very good, hence an issue straightaway.  And positionally he's best in that deep lying midfield/playmaker role, which has a defensive element to it that his size hinders him with.

And then add to that his off the field issues.

He'll make a career for himself, but it won't be in the PL. 

[Percy McCarthy]

I know size shouldn't matter, but football is a physical game and it does.  A player like Bannan needs to be VERY good to make up for his size.  He's good, but not very good, hence an issue straightaway.  And positionally he's best in that deep lying midfield/playmaker role, which has a defensive element to it that his size hinders him with.

 

Exactly.

[brontebilly]

Bit like Stephen Ireland, he isnt good enough with the ball to cover up for his painful limitations off the ball and acting the pr*ck off the pitch.

He had some good games for us but never did it consistently. Would recommend he stays clear of Blackburn though, a must is a manager that is likely to last more than a few weeks.

I cant help thinking that a root and branch review of our youth system is long overdue. Winning reserve and youths titles shouldnt be what its about and I think we have been guilty of focusing on that in the past. A lot of our players seems woefully short in some areas that should have been knocked out of them since they were 16 or 17. I'm not sure what was the point of Samir Carruthers for example last year not being out on loan getting the shit kicked out of him for a few months in the lower leagues.

Westwood for example seems far better coached than Bannan in getting in positions to receive the ball, knowing when to knock it long and short etc. Westwood is slow, lacks physical presence and isnt a threat from outside the box but he is clearly an intelligent lad and you can just sense in him that he will continue to improve. Bannan clearly has talent, I'm sure years back he was miles ahead of Westwood in terms of potential. But talent alone is only one of the attributes required to succeed, Bannan somewhere along the line failed to realise that. Maybe a spell suffering hard knocks at Crewe and lower league football would have done similar for Bannan years back rather than star at reserve and youth level.

Bannan seems like the typical star youths player who learned zilch about tactics and midfield play but instead relied on his wand of a left foot to make him a star. The wand of a left foot cant score goals, take set pieces and he never gets in positions to hurt opposition defences. Now he is 23 and all that potential seems to have evaporated. Not sure he has the desire to prove Lambert wrong but wish him the best.

[PeterWithesShin]

Joachim and Wright did okay for shortarses who weren't exactly top class players.

[Concrete John]

Joachim and Wright did okay for shortarses who weren't exactly top class players.

Joachim had blistering pace and Wright worked really hard at his game.  Neither of which you could say about Bannan.

[PeterWithesShin]

Joachim and Wright did okay for shortarses who weren't exactly top class players.

Joachim had blistering pace and Wright worked really hard at his game.  Neither of which you could say about Bannan.

True, but the original claim was a player had to be very good to succeed if a shortarse, but that isn't strictly true.

[Concrete John]

Joachim and Wright did okay for shortarses who weren't exactly top class players.

Joachim had blistering pace and Wright worked really hard at his game.  Neither of which you could say about Bannan.

True, but the original claim was a player had to be very good to succeed if a shortarse, but that isn't strictly true.

Maybe not worded too well on my part:-

What I was getting at is that in a physical game like football if you are lacking in the physical attribute department (strength, height, pace) then you rely on your natural ability so much more that it needs to really be nop notch.  Bannan's isn't.

Wright is a player that does disprove this slightly, but as I said he wasa model pro and made the most of his ability.  Similar story for players like Dennis Wise.   

[Dave Clark Five]

Dennis Wise was a twat on and off the pitch. Bannan was halfway there.

[supertom]

Dennis Wise was a twat on and off the pitch. Bannan was halfway there.

Wise was very difficult to shake off the ball though. Plus his passing and set pieces were consistently good. Again, this is one thing Bannan could have really worked harder at, particularly on his physical side. He should have hit the gym harder. Improved his upper body strength.

[supertom]

In terms of Wright and Joachim. You'd have to say that the two positions on the pitch where you generally see the shorter players make it, is fullback or striker. And yes, as pointed out, Joachim had pace and Wright worked his bollocks off.

I also think Joachim wouldn't make it in the top flight if he had been coming through in the last 10 years. The games different to when he was coming through. But that's for another discussion on another thread.

[Phil from the upper holte]

He gone yet?

[markeeeebeeee2005]

From rumours I have heard, his 'mad' nights were slightly madder than some might think, and his antics were a little more dubious than just driving a golf cart on to the tee at The Belfry. The club will be well shot of him.