Sad, sad, sad

[danlanza]

Ask anybody who is going through it eastie. I don't just mean the alcoholic but family and friends as well.
It can and does rip families apart. It was tough but to be truthfull, i learned a hell of a lot from it mate.

Alcoholism is something that needs to be addressed. So many people just do not 'get it'. As I get older I am becoming more and more hostile to alcohol as I have seen the affect it has had on people. Recovering alcoholics should never be put in a position where their brave struggle against the demon drink is compromised. You are no friend of them if you offer them alcohol or put them in a position where they have to fight an urge. I have an alcoholic relative who has been off it since 2000 and always arrange to meet in café. I know other eejits who still try to organise meet ups with him in pubs.

A friend of mine who had his struggles with alcohol said to me " The only way i can stay dry is to stay out of wet places." A very true statement. He is still dry now after 5 years but admits that he still gets overwhelming urges to neck some alcohol when he is under any sort of serious stress. So far he is good.

[hipkiss92]

Equally unfortunately diablo, we're well beyond the point of it  being "not too serious", as I sincerely wish the twats who continue to chant "it's your round" would realise.

Sorry when I said "I hope it's not too serious" I didn't make myself clear. I meant from the legal side of things (as he was charged previously with breach of the peace in 2004). I hope he doesn't find himself in more trouble that won't help / aid his hopeful recovery / battle with alcoholism.

Ah, apologies, misunderstood you.

No problem at all :-) Your feeling towards the chant is understandable and shared by many. Thankfully I think more and more peoples attitude towards alcoholism is slowly changing as more and more people are exposed to it and talk about it (as you can see on here). That is surely one of the only good things to come out of such a sad, desperate and damaging situation like this. If drugs were classified scientifically and on the harm they cause, rather than financially and politically, as is currently the case, alcohol would be top of the pile (Class A) ahead of even heroin and crack.

I have heard it said that alcohol would be illegal if it was discovered today, but surely it wouldn't be on a par with heroin/cocaine?
A bottle of beer a day would do a lot less damage than a line of coke would do surely?

[eastie]

Equally unfortunately diablo, we're well beyond the point of it  being "not too serious", as I sincerely wish the twats who continue to chant "it's your round" would realise.

Sorry when I said "I hope it's not too serious" I didn't make myself clear. I meant from the legal side of things (as he was charged previously with breach of the peace in 2004). I hope he doesn't find himself in more trouble that won't help / aid his hopeful recovery / battle with alcoholism.

Ah, apologies, misunderstood you.

No problem at all :-) Your feeling towards the chant is understandable and shared by many. Thankfully I think more and more peoples attitude towards alcoholism is slowly changing as more and more people are exposed to it and talk about it (as you can see on here). That is surely one of the only good things to come out of such a sad, desperate and damaging situation like this. If drugs were classified scientifically and on the harm they cause, rather than financially and politically, as is currently the case, alcohol would be top of the pile (Class A) ahead of even heroin and crack.

I have heard it said that alcohol would be illegal if it was discovered today, but surely it wouldn't be on a par with heroin/cocaine?
A bottle of beer a day would do a lot less damage than a line of coke would do surely?

A bottle of beer a day Is  fine , its the not stopping at that and 7 or 8 bottles a day that cause the problems.

[HOLTENDER]

Every time I hear 'on the piss my lord' I want to hand everyone singing it a copy of his book.  In my view it's not just an embarrassing song, it's morally repugnant and utterly indefensible.  It doesn't make me cringe it makes me f***ing angry.

To those that say 'he just needs to want it' I'm afraid alcoholism is a much tougher demon than that.  Don't take my word for it, read his autobiography.  It's an excellent book that may well open your open your eyes to a few things.  It's also a good insight into the inner workings of our club back then.  It's only £5.99 on Amazon and you may be able to find it cheaper elsewhere.

Amazon

And what do you think Pauls thoughts are on this song?
I have spoken to him both privately and at an open forum on the subject of this song.
He has no objections at all to it being sung......... just saying.

[john e]

a lot of addictions are more to do with having a compulsive nature than just falling into a trap door

i bet if you looked at some of the high profile business people like Murdock, Sugar, Maxwell etc they would be compulsive by nature, but they were able to channel it into other things ie making money by taking a few risks

footballers like Gaza and Best i reckon were probably compulsive people, even Beckham, its where you channel it, and if you go down the path of alcohol, you can easily become a compulsive drinker, where it takes over your life completely

i know a guy who was a compulsive gambler, he lost the lot, house, wife, kids, when he managed to control his affliction, he turned to fishing, which sounds a bit daft, but he became a compulsive fisherman, obsessed with catching the biggest/most etc

if you are born with this compulsive nature it will always manifest itself in something

[eastie]

Every time I hear 'on the piss my lord' I want to hand everyone singing it a copy of his book.  In my view it's not just an embarrassing song, it's morally repugnant and utterly indefensible.  It doesn't make me cringe it makes me f***ing angry.

To those that say 'he just needs to want it' I'm afraid alcoholism is a much tougher demon than that.  Don't take my word for it, read his autobiography.  It's an excellent book that may well open your open your eyes to a few things.  It's also a good insight into the inner workings of our club back then.  It's only £5.99 on Amazon and you may be able to find it cheaper elsewhere.

Amazon

And what do you think Pauls thoughts are on this song?
I have spoken to him both privately and at an open forum on the subject of this song.
He has no objections at all to it being sung......... just saying.

It's not just reference to on the piss, its the shit support , empty seats etc - the song is a heap of shit.

[Clampy]

God reckons his twitter account was hacked earlier.

[eastie]

God reckons his twitter account was hacked earlier.

I posted his tweet on previous page , do keep up to date clamps please .

[rob_bridge]

Every time I hear 'on the piss my lord' I want to hand everyone singing it a copy of his book.  In my view it's not just an embarrassing song, it's morally repugnant and utterly indefensible.  It doesn't make me cringe it makes me f***ing angry.

To those that say 'he just needs to want it' I'm afraid alcoholism is a much tougher demon than that.  Don't take my word for it, read his autobiography.  It's an excellent book that may well open your open your eyes to a few things.  It's also a good insight into the inner workings of our club back then.  It's only £5.99 on Amazon and you may be able to find it cheaper elsewhere.

Amazon

And what do you think Pauls thoughts are on this song?
I have spoken to him both privately and at an open forum on the subject of this song.
He has no objections at all to it being sung......... just saying.

It's not just reference to on the piss, its the shit support , empty seats etc - the song is a heap of shit.

Agree - I'm sure there must be some creative fan within the Villa fold who can come up with a more appropriate song in support of, IMO, the greatest Villa player in recent decades.

[Clampy]

God reckons his twitter account was hacked earlier.

I posted his tweet on previous page , do keep up to date clamps please .

I'm sorry Easts, some of us have other things to do.

[eastie]

God reckons his twitter account was hacked earlier.

I posted his tweet on previous page , do keep up to date clamps please .

I'm sorry Easts, some of us have other things to do.

Indeed.

[not3bad]

Is that really god on twitter? It's not a verified account is it?

It's him. I was so disappointed when I read those tweets on my way to work. I hope somebody goes to his aid.

I see paul has just tweeted -
@Paulmcgrath5: someone thinks its funny to hack my account. im fine thanks
 

I hope this is true but I guess there's no way of knowing unless you saw how he was when these suposed hacked tweets were being posted.

[dave.woodhall]

I hate to say it but claims of Twitter hacking is rarely true and if his account had been hacked the culprit could have done a lot worse than one rant about bankers and an apology for being pissed.

[eastie]

I hate to say it but claims of Twitter hacking is rarely true and if his account had been hacked the culprit could have done a lot worse than one rant about bankers and an apology for being pissed.

Thought exactly the same dave, maybe trying to make amends after a few hours sleep .

[Chris Jameson]

Alcoholism is something that needs to be addressed. So many people just do not 'get it'. As I get older I am becoming more and more hostile to alcohol as I have seen the affect it has had on people.

I never used to 'get it', I think when you're younger you think you're indestructible. When I was younger like many others I would go out regularly and drink far too much and indulge in certain things that I wouldn't dream of doing these days. Some people have addictive personalities and I've heard in the past couple of years of 3 of my old friends from Newcastle who I spent many an evening with have died, two as a result of alcoholism, one of them sadly killed himself and another from a drug overdose. They were all in their early 40's and people I am proud and happy to have had as friends.

A few years ago a friend of mine introduced me once to a woman who because of her addictive personality is a recovering alcoholic/ drug addict/ sex addict and is now obsessed with Nick Cave which is a far healthier obsession/addiction!