Everton v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[JUAN PABLO]

As soon as i saw Holman coming on the inevitable was bound to happen.

what does he actually do , he never creates space for a pass off a player just runs round .

[eamonn]

Clark always seems to get left with "the heavy". Same thing happened with Lukaku at the Baggies. I'd rather Vlaar marked the bruiser if there is one.

[JUAN PABLO]

Really gutted to not win the game but I feel we can win more games than what I thought before the game. 

we have to beat Spammers now but at least the team has goals even if the Three stooges are at the back.

[mr woo]

It wasn't so much the equalizing goal that pissed me off tbh. Fellaini's a big bloke, they try to look for him from corners anyway and he's scored like that against better defenders than ours.

What really gets me is the soft underbelly in our defensive play generally that seems to invite the opposition to take a pop. Once again, Bennett tried something too intricate that lead to a corner and more pressure.

There was another occasion on Evertons left flank where 3 of our defenders looked at another before one of them decided to try and close down the cross. There's a definite impression of confusion at times, and I'm sorry, that's simply down to poor coaching.

[MonsXI]

Clark always seems to get left with "the heavy". Same thing happened with Lukaku at the Baggies. I'd rather Vlaar marked the bruiser if there is one.

Vlaar was marking Bradfords big man and we all know what happened there.

[villan from luton]

It wasn't so much the equalizing goal that pissed me off tbh. Fellaini's a big bloke, they try to look for him from corners anyway and he's scored like that against better defenders than ours.

What really gets me is the soft underbelly in our defensive play generally that seems to invite the opposition to take a pop. Once again, Bennett tried something too intricate that lead to a corner and more pressure.

There was another occasion on Evertons left flank where 3 of our defenders looked at another before one of them decided to try and close down the cross. There's a definite impression of confusion at times, and I'm sorry, that's simply down to poor coaching.

You say it is down to poor defending, it is more than that.

[mr woo]

Poor defending due to poor coaching is the point I was making. Although I accept its hard to polish a turd if that's what you mean?

[ozzjim]

All true, Situation, but on the other hand, we put in a decent performance, got a point, and looked stronger defensively overall (as you said) compared to previous matches.

We absolutely must win some of the on-paper "easier" home games, though. Points at places like Everton are an unexpected bonus. Being able to take more positives from it are extra bonuses.

That's not saying I think we'll stay up, I suspect we won't, it is just looking to take a positive, and seeing several things.

I thought today we were much better and gave away 3 very soft goals, BUT the 3rd looked like it wasn't a corner, and that typified the last half hour, where every singe time we looked to put a challenge in the ref gave Everton another chance to pump it into our box. It war getting stupid. Add that to him playing 6 mins stoppage, then adding another minute for them to take another corner, he was such a homer it was untrue. I felt for our lads, because the barrage was not through our making at times.

[Lastfootstamper]

As soon as i saw Holman coming on the inevitable was bound to happen.

what does he actually do , he never creates space for a pass off a player just runs round .

Answered your own question. Just runs round. That's it.

[Steve R]

All true, Situation, but on the other hand, we put in a decent performance, got a point, and looked stronger defensively overall (as you said) compared to previous matches.

We absolutely must win some of the on-paper "easier" home games, though. Points at places like Everton are an unexpected bonus. Being able to take more positives from it are extra bonuses.

That's not saying I think we'll stay up, I suspect we won't, it is just looking to take a positive, and seeing several things.

If we continue to play the way we did today (and in the second half against Nrewcastle) we do stand a good chance.

Todays fixture list was against us, a tough away game on Merseyside whilst most teams around us playing very winnable games. It could have been a lot worse.

[adrenachrome]

In a different context, most people would be upbeat about this game: we played some good stuff, scored some good goals, absorbed a lot of pressure without conceding clear cut chances - Weimann missed the easiest chance of the game.  Take the positives, and move on. After all, you could have got 9/1 against us winning at one point according to the pre-match thread.

Unfortunately, we cannot ignore the context which is that we are deep in it and our trajectory as defined by results, despite some excellent periods of play and some very good goals, points inexorably in one direction.


   





 

[JUAN PABLO]

f**k Ive just seen where Wolves are .

[kippaxvilla2]

The simple facts are there is a lack of experience and a great deal of naivity in the club as a whole at the moment.

The Chairman - hasn't got a clue what to do when in a sticky situation - so adopts a bunker mentality and issues random statements veiling support of the manager with funds, when in actual fact, none materialise in reality.

The CEO - is really a pen pusher who knows about charging lots of interest on credit cards but really is quite clueless when it comes to running a £100m business.

The defence - well we've being saying it all season.  Vlaar flatters to deceive, Clark is not now and never will be a Centre Half.

The midfield - again, Westwood promising but not enough backup and where single handedly you can say we have lost a lot of our games this season.

The forward line - inexperienced but relatively speaking have been fucking brilliant for us this season despite the abject mediocrity behind them.

The Manager - now at a big club and therefore in the spotlight is a very stubborn man, but admirable in that you can see what he is trying to do  - some of the football going forward is as good as I've seen since Brian Little's days but, they just cannot defend.  Therefore, why not accept outside help - ex defenders etc......his stubbornness and the boards ridiculous stance on not bringing in a Centre Half will, I am sure prove to be our undoing this season - I believe Lambert should have stood up more for what he wanted in the window - after all what could Lerner have done - got rid of him...would have made him look very bad indeed.....

[tomd2103]

In a different context, most people would be upbeat about this game: we played some good stuff, scored some good goals, absorbed a lot of pressure without conceding clear cut chances - Weimann missed the easiest chance of the game.  Take the positives, and move on. After all, you could have got 9/1 against us winning at one point according to the pre-match thread.

Unfortunately, we cannot ignore the context which is that we are deep in it and our trajectory as defined by results, despite some excellent periods of play and some very good goals, points inexorably in one direction.


 

If we had been the ones to come back from 3-1 down then it would have felt like a much more positive result and something we could have taken forward.  As it is, it has just helped to add to the general sinking feeling that surrounds the Villa at the moment. 

[NiiLamptey]

Slept on it... Still feels like 2 points lost..

Ref was appalling in his decision making... And didn't help

We just need to learn how to kill a game off, and I include lambert in that as his subs where confusing.

I know it's early days but don't see Syllia as our saviour... Should of had 2 yellows and looked off the pace... Maybe he just needs to get match fit.

Can't see anything but our relegation still...