Why was McLeish sacked?

[saunders_heroes]

Our fans are totally fickle though. O'Leary was completely right.

Big deal. All football fans are fickle. It goes with the territory.

[SoccerHQ]

Our fans are totally fickle though. O'Leary was completely right.

Big deal. All football fans are fickle. It goes with the territory.

Yep, I'm amazed anyone brings it up. Arsenal fans going on about wanting Wenger sacked and then going quiet when they win a few games and go top of the league is proof surely?

All Villa fans ask for from what I can see is some good football, more home wins than we get and a top half finish, that's surely not an unrealistic expectation?

[Malandro]

Well, it certainly didn't include losing 3 successive games by an aggregate of 15-0, Cup exits to sides from all 3 lower divisions, one of them over two legs, and a minimum of 12 home defeats in one season.

you just don't see the long term plan

[martin o`who??]

Can we rename this thread as "Why was Mcleish appointed in the first place".

[ez]

Can we rename this thread as "Why was Mcleish appointed in the first place".

I don't think we'll ever find that out. That will be one of villa's mysteries along with Who stole the fa cup.

[robbyfvillain]

I'm starting to forget how bad things were under Mcleish

allow me to use the win % statistic to remind you. In the history of Aston Villa there have been 4 managers who have achieved a win % of less than 30%.

The first was Tommy Cummings with 29.03% followed by Tommy Docherty with 28.26% these were completely eclipsed by the worst (IMO) manager we have ever had Billy McNeill with 21.95%.

However TSM managed to eclipse even that with a magnificent 21.43%.

That is how bad it was!

[Dave]

How does Lambert's record stand up against that list of dross?

[Toronto Villa]

Our fans are totally fickle though. O'Leary was completely right.

Big deal. All football fans are fickle. It goes with the territory.

for me, O'Leary's fickle comments should be filed with Lambert's comments about the FA Cup. Both are true, neither should be discussed or admitted openly.

[robbyfvillain]

How does Lambert's record stand up against that list of dross?

Around 32%. The thing with Lambert is we either win or lose.

[robbyfvillain]

Another interesting statistic is the points per game assuming 3points for a win

Billy McNeill      1.02
TSM               1.05
Cummings      1.10
GT MkII          1.18
Lambert         1.19
Tommy Doc    1.20

Top of the list is of course one

G.Ramsey      1.80
WJ Smith       1.63
GT Mk I          1.62
Ron Saunders 1.61
Vic Crowe       1.60

[Monty]

Another interesting statistic is the points per game assuming 3points for a win

Billy McNeill      1.02
TSM               1.05
Cummings      1.10
GT MkII          1.18
Lambert         1.19
Tommy Doc    1.20

Top of the list is of course one

G.Ramsey      1.80
WJ Smith       1.63
GT Mk I          1.62
Ron Saunders 1.61
Vic Crowe       1.60

That's very interesting. Good ol' SGT making both lists.

[robbyfvillain]

Another interesting statistic is the points per game assuming 3points for a win

Billy McNeill      1.02
TSM               1.05
Cummings      1.10
GT MkII          1.18
Lambert         1.19
Tommy Doc    1.20

Top of the list is of course one

G.Ramsey      1.80
WJ Smith       1.63
GT Mk I          1.62
Ron Saunders 1.61
Vic Crowe       1.60

That's very interesting. Good ol' SGT making both lists.

Which I guess is why it's not always obvious who will make a good manager.

Just one other point on the worst 5 managers above they all lasted approx 1 year with 1 notable exception.

[dave.woodhall]

Another interesting statistic is the points per game assuming 3points for a win

Billy McNeill      1.02
TSM               1.05
Cummings      1.10
GT MkII          1.18
Lambert         1.19
Tommy Doc    1.20

Top of the list is of course one

G.Ramsey      1.80
WJ Smith       1.63
GT Mk I          1.62
Ron Saunders 1.61
Vic Crowe       1.60

That's very interesting. Good ol' SGT making both lists.

And the top two weren't managers.

[robbyfvillain]

Another interesting statistic is the points per game assuming 3points for a win

Billy McNeill      1.02
TSM               1.05
Cummings      1.10
GT MkII          1.18
Lambert         1.19
Tommy Doc    1.20

Top of the list is of course one

G.Ramsey      1.80
WJ Smith       1.63
GT Mk I          1.62
Ron Saunders 1.61
Vic Crowe       1.60

That's very interesting. Good ol' SGT making both lists.

And the top two weren't managers.

Absolutely but they were the secretary of the committee which chose the team. Perhaps we should go back to that method it did us well for 50 years

[Isa]

Our fans are totally fickle though. O'Leary was completely right.

Big deal. All football fans are fickle. It goes with the territory.

Be that as it may, it doesn't negate O'Leary's statement.