Aston Villa v Southampton Post-Match Thread

[danlanza]

What it boils down to is the grip the FA has on the game and which it will not see threatened.   They oppose any form of technology which does not involve more referees because the referees represent the FA where it really matters, on the field of play.   They see technology as a watering down of their authority.

It would be the easiest thing in the world to have the ultimate referee in the stand with a bank of monitors able to make a sound audible to the whole crowd indicating a second look at an important decision like a penalty or a sending off or a Suarez hand ball.   It would only take seconds and it would cleanse the game of referee conning which is ruining the modern game.

In horse racing "winners" can be disqualified and prize money and trophies removed retrospectively.   Photo finishes take a few seconds in all but a tiny minority of cases.   Because of these things, horse racing which has the potential to be totally corrupt is kept clean.   The Jockey Club (latterly the British Horseracing Authority) embraced technology.   The Football Association resists it.

The Football Association needs to take a good hard look at itself brian. People will get fed up eventually and not go to games. The F.A could take the lead in this and make themselves popular world wide, but i doubt they will.And how long will it be before a player is attacked by a fan for blatant cheating ? We don't need that happening.

[wolfman999]

What it boils down to is the grip the FA has on the game and which it will not see threatened.   They oppose any form of technology which does not involve more referees because the referees represent the FA where it really matters, on the field of play.   They see technology as a watering down of their authority.

It would be the easiest thing in the world to have the ultimate referee in the stand with a bank of monitors able to make a sound audible to the whole crowd indicating a second look at an important decision like a penalty or a sending off or a Suarez hand ball.   It would only take seconds and it would cleanse the game of referee conning which is ruining the modern game.

In horse racing "winners" can be disqualified and prize money and trophies removed retrospectively.   Photo finishes take a few seconds in all but a tiny minority of cases.   Because of these things, horse racing which has the potential to be totally corrupt is kept clean.   The Jockey Club (latterly the British Horseracing Authority) embraced technology.   The Football Association resists it.

The Football Association needs to take a good hard look at itself brian. People will get fed up eventually and not go to games. The F.A could take the lead in this and make themselves popular world wide, but i doubt they will.And how long will it be before a player is attacked by a fan for blatant cheating ? We don't need that happening.

Aren't the FA answerable to FIFA in such matters and we all know how resistant that bunch are to the introduction of goal line technology? (unless they get a generous donation to the Swiss bank account of their choice by a munufacturer of the technology in question  )

[danlanza]

I don't know if they are. What has FIFA got to do with any decision the FA would make to stop cheating ?

[Greg N'Ash]

Halsey is a shit ref but you can see why he gave it. Stephens lunged at him which made up Halsey's mind for him once the guy went down. Never should have been given but you don't do that sort of attempted tackle in the penalty area. Basic stuff.

[eastie]

Halsey is a shit ref but you can see why he gave it. Stephens lunged at him which made up Halsey's mind for him once the guy went down. Never should have been given but you don't do that sort of attempted tackle in the penalty area. Basic stuff.

Agreed, it looked like a pen at first glance, only on replay could I see no contact but it was shocking defending in the build up culminating in Stevens sloppy challenge.

[silhillvilla]

From where I was sat it looked a stone wall pen And nobody around me complained either

[jembob]

Not sure what Lambert and the coaching staff work at on a daily basis

They could start by practising corners, free kicks and throw-ins

They really need to go back to basics. If things at work are tough for me, that's what I do - enough of the basics to first stop the rot, and secondly to start building things up again. The really scary thing is that we don't appear to have any purpose in any part of the pitch. At one point yesterday we didn't seem to have anybody in midfield, Benteke, Gabby and Weimann were in a huddle and Bannan was about 40yards from anybody else out on the left wing. It was unbelievable to see such a shambolic set up and it suggests to me that the players don't know what they should be doing.
Vincent Lombardi was a famous American Football coach and after a bad result would always return to the basics - his coaching session would normally start off with him holding up a ball and saying "this is a football". Lambert and team should go back to absolute basics, keep everything simple and to give each player a handful of things to work on. We have a real issue with the simplest of things and if we can't sort them out things will get worse.

[wookster]

Halsey is a shit ref but you can see why he gave it. Stephens lunged at him which made up Halsey's mind for him once the guy went down. Never should have been given but you don't do that sort of attempted tackle in the penalty area. Basic stuff.

Agreed, it looked like a pen at first glance, only on replay could I see no contact but it was shocking defending in the build up culminating in Stevens sloppy challenge.

It must have looked a stone wall penalty in real time, and unless the ref was next to the ball would it have appeared any other way.

Anyone see Ricky Lambert on MOTD, he agrred there was no contact but gave some awful justification for the kick on intent

[JUAN PABLO]

And like I said nothing will ever change and if you all think about it whats the point of football if players are allowed to cheat?

It needs to go to a panel on Monday morning , If a player is found to have dived , fine the player £100k , the club £100k and a three match ban ,  You will never see another player dive again.

[Apyadg]

Stone wall penalty? It looked more a creosoted fence penalty to me, initially.

[Ads]

Halsey would have had a very good view of it. He is an awful referee and he has consistently given the opposition decisions against us throughout his career.

Why he and Dowd are allowed to referee our games, I don't know.

[onje_villa]

Diving, cheating, penalties are all part of the modern game. You get some for you, you get some against you.
Don't let yesterday's incident conveniently cover over the fact that we are shit and in the shit.
Don't let if deflect from the fact that we have put ourselves in this position, not dodgy refereeing decisions.

You're quite right that it does even out and doesn't detract from our shitness but I totally share Dan's disbelief that no-one has bothered to introduce retrospective bans for divers.

And I absolutely loathe it when I'm told "It's part of the game".

It's called cheating, look it up.

[Lamb_Stockmix]

This is a brilliant article that sums everything up. Please take the time to read it.

http://howtosolveaproblemlikeastonvilla.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/how-to-solve-problem-like-aston-villa_13.html

You can contact the author on twitter @Alex_Berwick

[onje_villa]

This is a brilliant article that sums everything up. Please take the time to read it.

http://howtosolveaproblemlikeastonvilla.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/how-to-solve-problem-like-aston-villa_13.html

You can contact the author on twitter @Alex_Berwick

Good read that.

[brian green]

We sit in the Holte Lower, right behind the goal just above goal post level.   We were all totally silent after the award of the penalty because we were absolutely dumbfounded as to what it had been given for.   Our silence was not an indication that we thought it was a fair decision.   Halsey's first gesture was with the flat of his hand towards the edge of the box.   I though it was a card for diving.   I think the pin-balling of the ball from one miskick to another completely mesmerized Halsey.   I don't think he knew what he had given at first then decided once he had made his mind up.