Who Do You Blame/Who Are You Angry With?

[mr woo]

Oh no, not this old chestnut again.

1. Anyone can "claim" money for whatever they want, it doesn't make the claim valid.

2. The club and MON reached a settlement. Nobody "won" or "lost" anything.

You'll have to explain to me how someone who walks out of their job and yet successfully claims for compensation from their employer hasn't won.

Because we don't know what he was claiming and don't know what we were offering. We also don't know what the contractual situation was. In the end it was settled by the two parties.

You're right. All I know is, in a legal claim, if someone paid me something (anything) I'd consider that a win, and if I was forced to pay out to somebody else I'd consider that a defeat.

[PeterWithesShin]

Any chance of a poll?

Suggestions for options please.

I'm guessing

Randy
Paul F
Lambert
MON

Anyone else?

[danlanza]

Poll it. Lerner will win hands down mate.

[newtonsballs]

Any chance of a poll?

How about a pill- things look so much better

[dl9]

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Any chance of a poll?

How about a pill- things look so much better

I'd say a pullit's quicker and I'll be asleep soon after..

[danlanza]

Any chance of a poll?

How about a pill- things look so much better

Damn good idea. Pills are always better than Polls

[hilts_coolerking]

Because we don't know what he was claiming and don't know what we were offering. We also don't know what the contractual situation was. In the end it was settled by the two parties.

What we do know is that we effectively paid him for walking out on us.  God knows I have very little sympathy for Pubey but even I'd consider that a very skilful victory on his part.  I know it's not a very palatable thing to swallow but that's about the size of it.

[olaftab]

Any chance of a poll?

Suggestions for options please.

I'm guessing

Randy
Paul F
Lambert
MON

Anyone else?

Yes we must include
Bin Laden
Cameron
Obama
Thatcher

[Dave Clark Five]

Surely some would still blame Alex McLeish.

[Dave Clark Five]

Oh no, not this old chestnut again.

1. Anyone can "claim" money for whatever they want, it doesn't make the claim valid.

2. The club and MON reached a settlement. Nobody "won" or "lost" anything.

You'll have to explain to me how someone who walks out of their job and yet successfully claims for compensation from their employer hasn't won.

When they walk out of the door, having been sacked.

[PeterWithesShin]

Poll added.

[NiiLamptey]

The Poll is tough to answer as it all ultimately lies with Randy however...

We started with MON running the finances and football philosophy of the club - this ended how it ended... long story short, overpayed ageing squad with no resale value after millions of pounds of investment....

Here you can blame MON for his strategy or Lerner for not policing / setting out the goals...

Then Lerner / Faulkner went on to appoint Houllier, I didnt think and still dont think it was a bad move, He tried to change the philosophy too quickly, but it was starting to come together and towards the end of the season we were all getting happy... due to health reasons, He was let go, although he claims the doctors didn't request he give up work...  had we stuck with him and completed the transition we would be in a much better space in my opinion, so board to blame for this one is it faulkner or Randy or both?

Then we come to TSM reign... After a summer of managerial links, including our protests, Randy & Faulkner reached the end of their tethers and appointed McClueless.  This was the worst of all actions / appointments, McLeish did not have the ability or know how to ensure this club matches the fans expectations, the players he bought in were awful and not how the fans wanted to go... Holman, Hutton etc so he was on a loosing battle and ultimately left,   The McLeish season was neer going to be great, no matter who was in charge as again it was a transitional season of the back of a transitional season that had started to work... the problem was his direction

Now we are into the 3rd Season with PL, this is a transitional season after a transitional season after another transitional season... so the philosophy of football within the club is shot to pieces all the saleable players that could be sold have been, as whats the point in keeping an asset if you dont know how you will use it etc.  To me lambert is making all the right choices in general to make us into a decent team again, even against wigan you can see flashes where we are there and clicking its just not consistant or working at the minute...

what is the point in all this?

Well Lerner has put his money where his mouth is, he isn't a Russian Billionaire or Sheik, yet on the ranking he has probably put more into villa than many other chairmen in the Premier League.

Lerner doesnt use the club for limelight etc, he has always said he doesnt get involved in the day to day running etc...

So in that sense he is a good chairman

Where it goes wrong is the football direction and stratergy... Paul Faulkner is not the man to steer the club from a football perspective, he may be doing great at commercials but football is failing... Easy to blame him but it is ultimately Lerners call...

We are in this position due to a long list of poor footballing decisions from leaving MON with free reign through to sending a private jet to pick up Solsjkaer...

We need a football man on the board asap who owns the philosophy and direction, transfer strategies, management recruitment etc

cant help but feel that Houiller should of moved to a board post after his season... either way from the off and even more so know we need a football man on the board to steer us.. that is down to Faulkner to suggest and Lerner to honour...

[N'ZMAV]

Agree with NiiLamptey. Lambert will need someone on the board who knows something about Football. A Houllier type on the board would make some sense. All the big decisions at that level have been wrong this past couple of years and have undone a lot of hard work when they first took over. They're really going to have to pull a few rabbits out the hat to get that 'going places' feeling back about this club. It's disappointing.

[Summers]

I said other.

And by other I mean all of them.

All of this shit has happened under Lerner's rule. Faulkner is involved in the running of this sinking ship.
O'Neill fucked us up with signing shit on insane money, and then he ran off when the leash was tugged & sued us.
I blame McLeish less than the others. I mean, he tried. He was just shit.

[eastie]

No one person is to blame- some blame can be shared between Faulkner, Lerner, o Neill, houllier, Mcleish and lambert to varying degrees.

The main thing is that we all roll our sleeves up to get out of this mess, what's done is done and we must look at getting out of this and looking t the future.