Aston Villa v Sunderland Post-Match Thread

[johncvilla88]

I must say I was quite impressed with the team's attitude today, actually. One of the things that I had worried about (in amongst the million other things) was that the players wouldn't have enough fight in them. I think they probably do.

Another good showing from the young players too. Weimann, Herd, Lichaj, Baker all look like solid Premier League players to me.

Well said. Probably were the best players today accept Given who was good as usual.

[achilles]

Got out of jail, they had a good goal disallowed!

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OR....they had an offside goal disallowed for offside.

It looked like it was a good goal.

He was off. Only just, but offside nonetheless.

He was offside because the blind linesman gave it! I wonder what you would be saying if it was the other way around!

[django]

Another point more than i expected so can't be too downbeat. The Wigan and Bolton results went well for us too. There'll be plenty more of this sort of excitement next season i expect. Great.

[Summers]

Got out of jail, they had a good goal disallowed!

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OR....they had an offside goal disallowed for offside.

It looked like it was a good goal.

He was off. Only just, but offside nonetheless.

He was offside because the blind linesman gave it! I wonder what you would be saying if it was the other way around!

He was offside because he was slightly closer to the goal than the last defender.

[Greg N'Ash]

Well my heart sank when i saw that team selection and formation. Powderpuff midfield against a physical side with a reputation of playing on the break and so it proved. You can only give away dominance in midfield if you have techically better players and we haven't but this was all about Mcleish showing he's not defensive, or trying to, rather than winning the game. Should have been beaten but  a bit of luck for once and the bolton score did us no harm at all, but if Mcleish is going to start picking sides he thinks will please the fans rather than win the game then he's doomed frankly.

[pauliewalnuts]

Seeing the replay Bendtners hand is clearly offside....however it seems harsh to disallow it for it but by the letter of the law is it offside.

Isn't it measured by parts of your body which you can score with, though?
If only his hand is offside, he's onside, isn't he?

[Mister E]

I was very surprised to see BB come on as our last throw of the dice: with respect to the wee lad, he's not going to be a dramatic game-winner, is he?

They should have put Carruthers on to terrorise O'Shea.

Poor decision-making from McL / PG.

[avfcpg]

Seeing the replay Bendtners hand is clearly offside....however it seems harsh to disallow it for it but by the letter of the law is it offside.

Isn't it measured by parts of your body which you can score with, though?
If only his hand is offside, he's onside, isn't he?

Correct...

[ez]

Its a tad desperate when i'm willing our forwards to dive for penalties but i was.

[Dante Lavelli]

With regards to the offside/onside Bentner goal, was the interpretation of the law changed before a recent World Cup wherein the attacker should get the benefit of the doubt.  That’s where all that “clear daylight” bobbins was introduced.

With Bentner there was not “clear daylight” between him and the last defender so I think we were lucky unless they’ve changed the interpretation of the law back to how it was.

[ozzjim]

I was very surprised to see BB come on as our last throw of the dice: with respect to the wee lad, he's not going to be a dramatic game-winner, is he?

They should have put Carruthers on to terrorise O'Shea.

Poor decision-making from McL / PG.

I thought Gardner for his ability to shoot was more sense, but Bannan can play a pass, and Weimann has good movement so there was a logic, but Bannan is much more of a central player

[johncvilla88]

With regards to the offside/onside Bentner goal, was the interpretation of the law changed before a recent World Cup wherein the attacker should get the benefit of the doubt.  That’s where all that “clear daylight” bobbins was introduced.

With Bentner there was not “clear daylight” between him and the last defender so I think we were lucky unless they’ve changed the interpretation of the law back to how it was.

Might of been change as I found this:

Consideration should be given to any part of the head,
body or feet of the attacker in relation to the second
last defender, the ball or the halfway line .

For the purposes of this decision, the arms are not
considered to be part of the body.

Source http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/5.%20law%2011_554.pdf

[Nev]

Tripe

[1_Pablo_Angel]

Bannan should have scored.

[Dante Lavelli]

It was rumoured that Randy was going to be in attendance.  Was that confirmed?