Manchester United v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[Billy Walker]

He should be sacked just for using the term Theatre of Dreams. Wanker can fuck off now as far as i'm concerned.

Please don't tell me he said that?

[Legion]

He should be sacked just for using the term Theatre of Dreams. Wanker can fuck off now as far as i'm concerned.

Please don't tell me he said that?

He did.

[adrenachrome]

Sing it, Denny.

[PeterWithesShin]

He should be sacked just for using the term Theatre of Dreams. Wanker can fuck off now as far as i'm concerned.

Please don't tell me he said that?

He did.

Go back a few pages and it is there in all it's "glory".

[PeterWithe]

Maybe McLeish, Lerner and Fergie are thinking of setting us up as a nursery club. How has it come to this in just 18 months?

[Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air]

This is worse than anything I have experienced in 65 years.   Worse to endure.   Worst to get through.   Worst to live with.

We have had dozens of worse players than those who wore the shirt today.   We have played dozens of games in which we were worse than we were today.   We have even had managers as bad - in their own ways - as McLeish.   What sets this season apart from the 64 others I have witnessed was summed up in a word by Mazrim a few days ago.   That word is predictable.

I have never experienced such empty hopelessness as I do at the moment.   The owner is the billionaire son of a billionaire.   He lives a long way away.   He gives every impression that he no longer cares for the club he bought.   Nobody knows what the plan is for the future or even if there is a plan.   Those of us who love the club have to survive on scraps of rumour and hearsay.   It is for all the world as though we, the fans do not exist.   The manager has been appointed.   The manager has been given his orders.   The board has been appointed.   The board has been given its orders.   Where do the supporters figure in that?   Answer.  They don't.

From the very instant that we were told that McLeish was to be our manager everything which has happened and which continues to happen including the game today and the facile and patronizing comments by Ferguson about McLeish were totally predictable.

When Gerry Francis was made England captain back in the day, the Guardian ran a headline "Adrift with a stoker at the wheel".   We have nobody at the wheel because all the real power is vested in Randy Lerner and to all intents and purposes as far as Villa are concerned he is dead.

All of this, the relegation spectre, the truly awful football, the shrinking gates, the demoralized players, the good hidings from competent teams and scraped draws against the dross is all so entirely and cruelly predictable.   Alas so is nothing being done until we are relegated.  Not being relegated is now our Champions League.

Excellent post typed with feeling. Ive done 55.5 yrs and apart from when Tony Hateley left to that day in Dec 68 when Doug breezed in this is as bad as it gets.
And if we dont beat Bolton we could very well go down

We have an 80yr old Ex Chairman who goes to practically every game and a current chairman who has been to two!  says it all really.

This is the main problem. Whatever groans and gripes we had about Ellis, he was there. ( He is still there). I expect a club owner to be at a good number games and around the club in the week , not necessarily virtually every single game like Doug but a good proportion. When Doug wasn't running the show for a time, then Ron Bendall would be there (albeit coming over from the Isle of Man), and before that William Dugdale would be there. Before Doug arrived, even the ancient old duffers who were running the club into the ground towards bankruptcy were at least there !
Another thing, we always had shareholders. Most of the time there would be a controlling interest (Doug) to stop those shares having any strong influence, but all the same the entire ownership of the club was not concentrated 100% in the hands of one individual.
I appreciate that Randy Lerner is an honourable man, I appreciate he has invested a lot of money in the club in his first 5 years especially.
However, I also feel at my lowest ebb about Villa having followed them since 1966. I have seen much poorer sides and seen the club in much more perilous financial states. I've gone down when we were getting far far lower gates than we are going to get next season.
Why is this the worst then ?
Because this is the first time we have an absentee owner, because it is the first time we have the club entirely owned by one individual. I will admit I didn't say this when we were finshing 6th and chasing the holy grail of the Champions League, but now its the tough times. I can handle tough times, my God we've been through a few and stuck it out because you always had hope. But this is lack of hope and even worse its is alienation. Alienation for the reasons I have outlined abaove. Sorry Randy, nothing personal but I think its time for you to move on. 

[Walmley_Villa]

Bloody Fergie talking him up post-match praising the bravery of playing so many youngsters at Old Trafford. He must really hate us!

[luke25]

I just can't believe the amount of times he's come out with this shit after we've played a team in the top half, its embarrasing to our great club. I don't know whats going on in Randy's head, if a company is losing millions, under performing and the manager that you chose keeps talking up your rivals then in any other industry you'd fuck him off asap. You'd think Randy would have some pride in the club he's invested a huge amount in, but then again it was only his dads millions that he inherited, perhaps if he'd earned them himself then he'd be a bit more hands on and care abit more.

[brian green]

There are basically two sorts of stupid people.   There are the sort who are just stupid.   No harm in that, there are millions of us.   Then there are the really dangerous ones who are stupid but think they are clever.   McLeish goes right into the treble twenty of the latter category.   He genuinely thinks that extolling himself as a "deep thinker" (his own words) and trotting out media generated slop like "theatre of dreams" and describing his rag tag army of raw recruits as "young lions" and sucking up to the likes of Scholes is using his intellect to deflect the reality of yet another truly awful performance.

I can only assume that the board and the owner are as thick as he is and impressed by his "professionalism" and "composure" .

[jimmygreen]

He said, before someone thinks 'oh shite' and edits the OS.
From the OS:
'"The young lions have come to the Theatre of Dreams, the champions, a world-class club side playing against people like Scholes thinking can we get close to them, can we stop them playing?

"Tactically we tried to do that. But actually putting it into practice is another ball game for the guys.''

Makes you want to throw up. Patronising and embarrassing.
And bloody Scholes? I'm off to listen to Soul Mining. It helped in 87.

[Tom Sawyer]

Perhaps he's getting his own back on us for taking the piss out of him for years when he was with B-lose.

[django]

We've got three cup finals in the next couple of weeks, why all the negativity?!

Sunday 13th May 2012 "Sure, we're all a bit disappointed in ourselves that we've gone down, but i thought we were magnificent. We tried to hold them and we tried to say to them, "see if you can contain the Grant Holts and Andy Surmans", but it just wasn't to be. The young lions have come to Carrow Rd and been pecked to death by the Mighty Canaries. It's a tough lesson that will really help these young lads prepare for next year against Peterborough."

[Des Little]

Bloody Fergie talking him up post-match praising the bravery of playing so many youngsters at Old Trafford. He must really hate us!

The equivalent of a pat on the head for a very loyal dog that's just pleased its owner by not shitting in the lounge.

[OzVilla]

"The young lions have come to the Theatre of Dreams, the champions, a world-class club side playing against people like Scholes thinking can we get close to them, can we stop them playing?

And that Alex has finally finished it off for me.  What a stupid cnut!

[Billy Walker]

He should be sacked just for using the term Theatre of Dreams. Wanker can fuck off now as far as i'm concerned.

Please don't tell me he said that?

He did.

Go back a few pages and it is there in all it's "glory".

Dear Lord.  He's a nice guy and all that but that's genuinely the final straw for me.