Who is to blame?

[Dante Lavelli]

Like I said in at the beginning.  In order, 1. MON 2. Randy 3. Amc 4. Houllier

[Cuz]

Mcleish terrible manager took a team down then gets a job with us, whoever gave that helmet the job!!!!!

[andyh]

When the vacancy was being discussed, which fuckwit actually said the words, "what about Alex Mcleish ?"
THAT is who to blame.

[Dante Lavelli]

Do people think that if we had AN Other in charge that everything would be okay?
The problems are deeper than merely AMc in my opinion.

[pauliewalnuts]

Do people think that if we had AN Other in charge that everything would be okay?
The problems are deeper than merely AMc in my opinion.

I don't think you'd find many who think the problems are about McLeish alone.

[Neil Hawkes]

Ship hits the rocks - it's the Captains fault.

Let me extend the thinking on that - the Captain is to blame, it's not always his fault. Unless he has appointed, assessed and approved all the people and equipment he relies on to prevent the ship hitting the rocks.
Unfortunately despite all best intentions, the numbnuts underneath you can be the cause of your demise - after seeing what has happened with every set of managers since MON - I blame the senior players, (deadwood left by MON, identified as surplus to requirement by Houllier and forced to use, cause we can't get rid, by McLeish), as it's been proved often enough that they couldn't give a toss.

[Villanation]

Has to be Randy Lerner, the buck stops here, and for various reasons.

The MON thing will always be a mystery, but judging by the kind of events that have taken place since MON's departure its becoming apparent to me that it wasn't necessarily a case of MON walking out days before the start of the season as so much he was given no alternative.

Lerner then recruited a manger with known dodgy health problems that in football terms was taking a kind of football sabbatical in the kind of work he was doing in France, to then jump back in the firing line in the Premiership and take all that pressure, horrendous decision.

Lerner for some unbelievably painfully delectably exquisite reason goes and pays for the services of a repeat offender in relegation terms knowing there is no way this manager will ever cut the mustard short of us winning silverware and or at least equelling MON's tenure, then nobody ever see's him again like hes' divorced himself from the club or any interest in it.

Randy Lerner.

You can't blame McLiesh for his limitations, he is what he is, at heart he's a sportsman so he's by nature a battler, he just isn't good enough.   

[Ad@m]

I'm amazed Faulkener hasn't got a mention considering the general favour towards blaming him on here.

Sadly, like has been said, the buck has to stop with Lerner.  He's clearly got good intentions but his decision-making, especially when appointing managers, has been disastrous.

[Des Little]

Has to be Lerner and Ginge.  They employed McLeish knowing it would infuriate the fans and in the knowledge he has taken FC D.ogshit of Birmingham down twice.  It was never going to work then and sadly for us it's becoming very apparent now.  I really believe he'll take us down this season as well.  Genuinely.

[Monty]

Has to be Lerner and Ginge.  They employed McLeish knowing it would infuriate the fans and in the knowledge he has taken FC D.ogshit of Birmingham down twice.  It was never going to work then and sadly for us it's becoming very apparent now.  I really believe he'll take us down this season as well.  Genuinely.

I still don't think that will happen because I don't think we'll be overtaken by Bolton, Blackburn AND Wigan (QPR and Wolves are down, in my opinion). I think Bolton may well, especially if they beat us, but one of Blackburn and Wigan are doomed, I think. Still, might finish 16th or 17th, which would be absolutely shocking.

[Lizz]

I don't think any one individual is totally to blame, more a case of varying degrees of responsibility. Though I'd say the buck stops with Randy.

[olaftab]

I'm amazed Faulkener hasn't got a mention .....

I am amazed you have not read my post on page 5!

[olaftab]

When the vacancy was being discussed, which fuckwit actually said the words, "what about Alex Mcleish ?"
THAT is who to blame.

nothing wrong with a suggestion however stupid. The person to blame in the tosser who actually agreed and said that is a good idea.

[villadelph]

Aston Villa: No Pride, No Plan, No Promise.

[Brend'Watkins]

Do people think that if we had AN Other in charge that everything would be okay?
The problems are deeper than merely AMc in my opinion.

I don't think you'd find many who think the problems are about McLeish alone.

Based on Saturday's performance I say they are.  Even a 9 year old kid knows that Heskey is no longer a premiership footballer but there he is in the starting 11.  That's nothing to do with Lerner or Faulkner.  Everybody knows we had better options but AMc.

Overall the source of the mess goes back to MON.  The mess not been addressed is down to RL.