Wigan Athletic v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[SheffieldVillain]

There's no excuse for that and deserves all the abuse he gets when he's ruining our club with horrible negative decisions.

No, he doesn't. He deserves criticism. He doesn't deserve abuse. You don't seem to understand the difference.

[Rigadon]

Poor today.  Really, really poor. 

I feel sorry for Mcleish, but that, again, was just not good enough.   If he was Spurs manager, he would've gone by christmas.  If he was managing Everton, gone.  Newcastle, maybe gone too.

I don't get this. Why do people feel sorry for McLeish?

He sent a gutless e-mail to a club that was in the brink of administration to move here for more money, another shot at the Premier League and better players. It's not like his hands were tied completely having spent over 17m as well. The fans for the most part have been patient with him and he's had no where near the hostile reception as Houllier. He's had the chance to win us several times but he keeps making it worse for himself. I mean, let's recap. He selects Heskey when there's Ireland and N'Zogbia on the bench. There's no excuse for that and deserves all the abuse he gets when he's ruining our club with horrible negative decisions.

Cause he's a decent bloke, most of us can see it - you can't and seem to take every opportunity to call him 'retard' or something.  Have you ever been in a situation where you're trying your best but can't make a difference?  That's what's happening with AM.  He isn't running the club down a la O'Leary and hasn't quit in a strop like Martin O Neill.  EIther he or his coaching staff(or both) aren't good enough and that's the truth of it.  Calling him names and throwing your dummy out the pram won't change it. 

[Compass]

There's no excuse for that and deserves all the abuse he gets when he's ruining our club with horrible negative decisions.

No, he doesn't. He deserves criticism. He doesn't deserve abuse. You don't seem to understand the difference.

Fans are entitled to vent their anger. You don't seem to understand freedom of speech.

[SheffieldVillain]

There's no excuse for that and deserves all the abuse he gets when he's ruining our club with horrible negative decisions.

No, he doesn't. He deserves criticism. He doesn't deserve abuse. You don't seem to understand the difference.

Fans are entitled to vent their anger. You don't seem to understand freedom of speech.

Congratulations, you've just proved my point.

[silhillvilla]

The abuse he got at the ground today was OTT IMHO

[eric woolban woolban]

McLeish. The worst thing associated with Villa since Steve Hodge.

I guess he's even surpassed him now.

[Rigadon]

McLeish. The worst thing associated with Villa since Steve Hodge.

I guess he's even surpassed him now.

Eh?  How can you compare the two? 

[markeeeebeeee2005]

I'm pretty sure Freedom of Speech doesn't include abuse.

Big difference between abuse and criticism. He's not up to it so he deserves criticism not abuse.

[Compass]

There's no excuse for that and deserves all the abuse he gets when he's ruining our club with horrible negative decisions.

No, he doesn't. He deserves criticism. He doesn't deserve abuse. You don't seem to understand the difference.

Fans are entitled to vent their anger. You don't seem to understand freedom of speech.

Congratulations, you've just proved my point.

Sorry, I'm gonna take what Ian Taylor says more seriously than you.

[Rigadon]

I'm pretty sure Freedom of Speech doesn't include abuse.

Big difference between abuse and criticism. He's not up to it so he deserves criticism not abuse.

Yep.

[Rigadon]

This thread is almost as depressing as the game.  Alcohol time.

[Mister E]

I went to the game today - we set up with an offensive line-up but potential weakness in central MF. And so it proved.
I couldn't understand playing an offensive line-up and then encouraging defensive football - just didn't make sense.
The first display of out-and-out anger toward McL I've seen / heard - when Emile came on, inevitably. From then on, it was all "McL out". Not surprising really: what the team was crying out for was Herd as a third CMF; we got Heskey playing as second right back.

It really was bad, 'cos Wigan themselves were so poor.

McL has not got what it takes - end of.

[SheffieldVillain]

There's no excuse for that and deserves all the abuse he gets when he's ruining our club with horrible negative decisions.

No, he doesn't. He deserves criticism. He doesn't deserve abuse. You don't seem to understand the difference.

Fans are entitled to vent their anger. You don't seem to understand freedom of speech.

I understand freedom of speech perfectly. It allows people to say what they want. It doesn't make what they say right or mean that I'm not allowed to say that I think they are wrong.

Let me provide you with an example of the difference between criticism and abuse, since you seem to be struggling.

The food you are served in a restuarant is crap. It's bland and tastes really bad.
(a) Criticism  - Saying it's bland and tastes really bad and you'd like a replacement.
(b) Abuse  - Calling the waiter a 'retard' and 'like cancer'

I doubt whether you'll understand the difference even now, but I tried.

[Nev]

It's football, so everything is distorted out of proportion, blame Shankly for that.

From day one this was going to happen, it's not a surprise and the thought of today and what's ahead motivated the protest(s). However half hearted or counter productive they were perceived to be, they were nothing compared to the approach of the manager.

[SheffieldVillain]

There's no excuse for that and deserves all the abuse he gets when he's ruining our club with horrible negative decisions.

No, he doesn't. He deserves criticism. He doesn't deserve abuse. You don't seem to understand the difference.

Fans are entitled to vent their anger. You don't seem to understand freedom of speech.

Congratulations, you've just proved my point.

Sorry, I'm gonna take what Ian Taylor says more seriously than you.

Again, proving you can't tell the difference between what Ian Taylor said and the things you have been saying.

And sorry, but I'm going to take what Mad Doris McMad the Milkman's Mistress says more seriously than you.