AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.

[AvFc4eVeR]

We won't get relegated.

We have less points than blose did at this point last season...

I'm getting bored of hearing this.  It was tougher at the bottom last year and they got a bit distracted with a cup win.

Sounds Like a quote from AM in a few weeks time...

We'll have to wait and see but bringing that stat up today is meaningless.  No one is mentioning that MON only had 28 points after his first 25 games in charge - that was less than the noses last year!

PPL are quoting the stat as a kind of "i told you so", in the perverse hope that we get relegated and they are proven right.

I for one do not hope we get relegated, neither do I believe anyone posting on this forum would wish it upon our beloved Villa.

I do however believe, we are not too good to be relegated.

I also believe that there is a common perverse consensus amongst villa fans that we will not be relegated, and I am merely pointing out it is a very real possibility, given AM's recent history in the premier league.

Of course we are not too good to go down, but that could be levellled at half the league.  Quoting the blues stat is scaremongering, and just adds to the doom.

I would say the chances of relegation are slim rather than a "very real possibility" based upon the points we have and those of the teams below us.

Given our current form, the 7 point buffer to which you refer, may not exist for much longer.

We must win at least 3 of our next 4 games, because we then have Arsenal, Manu, Chelsea and Liverpool in quick succession.

Then we have a handful of games to save ourselves as we may very well be in bottom 3 by then.

I hope this is not the case, but with AM's clueless post match interview today, hope is fading fast.

[HalesowenVilla]

Leaving our two most creative players in ireland and n'zogbia on the bench and playing heskey on the wing inexcusable. albrighton simply isnt good enough. out of date hit and hope football is just not good enough

[Greg N'Ash]

I'm not gonna start calling for his head on the back of a loss to Citeh however bad the performance. He's gotta see off relegation fodder though or he's gone, Lerner's backing or not.

[Jimmy Smash]

Has there been a sea change in how fans feel about McL today? There certainly seems to be a great deal more people vocalising their dissatisfaction today.

[KevinGage]

As someone on this (or another) thread said earlier, we still have better resources than all but a handful of clubs in the topflight. Even with the new austerity measures.

Everton and Sunderland wanted N'Zogbia in the summer for example, but couldn't afford him.

Added to that, McLeish inherited a talented squad and a number of promising youngsters (even if they don't quite rival the Man U/ West Ham crop as many seemed to expect). He said as much himself of taking the job. Compared to the shite on the books at B-lose, it must have been like letting a little Rwandan loose at Harrods.  (c)  League of Gentlemen.

15th place going into mid Feb? He's underperforming, whichever way you want to cut it.

[adrenachrome]

Watched the match with "man united" father in law. He wanted us to beat them more than anything but couldn't believe, like myself, the utter dross that was played out. Why so negative? Why start with heskey? I swear it cut to the bench after the goal with KevMac, Grant and Mcleish actually saying what the feck do we do now?
They haven't a clue... Gary Gardner good to see him start. Zog looked up for it when he came on, so did Ireland. Just too little, too late.

No point sacking him mid-season, we wouldn't get anyone decent to manage us.

We have to win the next four or we are shafted.

People saying Lambert... wtf would he come to us? We have probably less money to spend than Norwich!! Pointless him moving.

This is as bad as O'Leary days or Taylor (the 2nd time).

Pity first post has to be so negative, been lurking for a while - but the dross served up today meant I had to vent my spleen somehow...!!

Welcome, maigrait.

I don't know why your manure supporting father in law expressed  surprise at today's display after the way we played against them at VP earlier in the season.

[Irish villain]

As we discussed at the match at half time the depth of the problem is that McLeish is not specifically the manager or the coach of the team.   Because of the manner and circumstances of his appointment he is really an extension of the board of directors.   The role he was offered by Lerner personally and which he was more than glad to take was wage bill shrinker and Premiership membership securer.   All the rest - the quality of the football, the entertainment value, the satisfaction of the fans, the best use of players, the best nurturing of academy players, talking to the media - all of it is only the window dressing.   They sat in McLeish's house in Corsica and agreed what was required.   What we are seeing and today was as typical as any game since McLeish took over are those principles put into practice.

My bet is that that they will not even sack him if we get relegated because he will have pulled the shrunken wage bill rabbit out of the hat.

The football virgins who run our club will think a few free flags and a couple of hundred cheap tee shirts chucked to the first four rows of the Holte End is all it will take to fill VP for games against Ipswich and Peterborough.

I will be having nightmares tonight after reading this. Great post though.

[Chipsticks]

Watched the match with "man united" father in law. He wanted us to beat them more than anything but couldn't believe, like myself, the utter dross that was played out. Why so negative? Why start with heskey? I swear it cut to the bench after the goal with KevMac, Grant and Mcleish actually saying what the feck do we do now?
They haven't a clue... Gary Gardner good to see him start. Zog looked up for it when he came on, so did Ireland. Just too little, too late.

No point sacking him mid-season, we wouldn't get anyone decent to manage us.

We have to win the next four or we are shafted.

People saying Lambert... wtf would he come to us? We have probably less money to spend than Norwich!! Pointless him moving.

This is as bad as O'Leary days or Taylor (the 2nd time).

Pity first post has to be so negative, been lurking for a while - but the dross served up today meant I had to vent my spleen somehow...!!

Welcome, maigrait.

I don't know why your manure supporting father in law expressed  surprise at today's display after the way we played against them at VP earlier in the season.

Welcome to the mayhem, shame your first post couldn't be praising a wonder show today, eh?

But in response to to you, adrenachrome - I think in the Man United game we definately gave 'em a bit more of a game and seemed to be a bit more attacking minded, in comparison to today that is; in comparison to the last few years it would seem just as dull and depressing as today.

[Compass]

It seems one of the excuses made for McLeish is he has it tough, but the squad is a solid top 10 outfit. Not only that but McLeish has spent nearly 20m already. Randy was still pretty generous giving him that amount in the summer.

Now I'm curious....How much money have Pardew, Moyes, Lambert, MON, Rodgers, Jol and Hodgson spent at their clubs? Probably no where near the amount McLeish spent and they're all above us.

The Stoke manger Pulis spent probably more than McLeish (I think), but at least he's doing good in Europe and is still 2 points ahead of us.

[sitonthecity]

its like watching blues last year
which i did a lot of .......how i laughed especially newcastle at home and spurs away
 
he is a very very poor manager
he has no idea what his best team is
there is no excuse for the lack of tactics and complete dross we have to watch

i disagree with those of you who think this idiot will keep us up
he will take us down
no doubt in my mind he should be sacked and quickly TODAY!!!!

[SheffieldVillain]

It seems one of the excuses made for McLeish is he has it tough, but the squad is a solid top 10 outfit. Not only that but McLeish has spent nearly 20m already. Randy was still pretty generous giving him that amount in the summer.

Now I'm curious....How much money have Pardew, Moyes, Lambert, MON, Rodgers, Jol and Hodgson spent at their clubs? Probably no where near the amount McLeish spent and they're all above us.

The Stoke manger Pulis spent probably more than McLeish (I think), but at least he's doing good in Europe and is still 2 points ahead of us.

Yes, but to only take into account the money spent is twisting the facts to suit your own purposes. What you fail to mention is the £40m in fees received for Youngs (Ashley and Luke) and Downing, plus the departures of Friedel, Walker and Reo-Coker.

Now, the argument that he hasn't used the players we do have well enough - fair enough, that's quite clearly true, particuarly yesterday. But the 'spent £20m', 'Randy being generous', 'spent more than most other managers' arguments are rubbish. Players have been sold totalling fees more than twice the value of those brought in and we've let twice as many first team players go as we've brought in permanently.

[Fergal]

Here's the interview

How do you turn it around? win the next game. How? win the next game. But how? win the next game...
Fuck me.

[Dante Lavelli]

Keep giving him slack.. keep giving him opportunity to succeed because its not going to happen. The supporters don't want it to happen, he doesn't know how to make it happen and the board doesn't care if he succeeds or not.

Err hang on, I want him to succeed.  I'd imagine most supporters WANT him to succeed.

[Fergal]

Keep giving him slack.. keep giving him opportunity to succeed because its not going to happen. The supporters don't want it to happen, he doesn't know how to make it happen and the board doesn't care if he succeeds or not.

Err hang on, I want him to succeed.  I'd imagine most supporters WANT him to succeed.

I was desperate for him to succeed, now I am just deaperate.

[eastie]

shocking home performances this season and amazed by his views in the interview afterwards that it was an excellent gameplan-dire dross!

How i wish we had someone like lambert or rogers at the helm playing nice entertaining winning football.