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Re: England 2012 Cricket Thread
« Reply #960 on: July 22, 2012, 11:02:10 PM »
England - South Africa series seem to follow a pattern.

They whip us, we bounce back and whip them. They are a good side but so are we. We're just having a bad game, the first since the 1st Ashes Test in 2009.

I expect us to lose tomorrow, but we will bounce back.

I'd leave the bowlers as they are but do question Bopara. Hopefully he will prove me wrong tomorrow. I don't have a huge amount of confidence in potential replacements. Bairstow was found out by an average Windies attack. Taylor isn't ready and Compton is not test class. That leaves Morgan.

In the 2009 Ashes  Bopara was in a similar position and was dropped after 4 tests. Trotty came in and looked a natural from his first game.  I don't have a lot of faith in the next generation of batsmen.

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Re: England 2012 Cricket Thread
« Reply #961 on: July 23, 2012, 12:54:08 AM »
Firstly, SA for a very good side.  They've got that balance where everyone in their team is the right age with the right level of experience, world class batters and bowlers and well lead.  So while we've dined out on the likes of Australia, India and the West Indies for the last few years these were always the next best side.

It's the classic Test Cricketing scenario though.  Put a side in the field for 3 days and they are knackered.  Put so many runs on the board that we can bowl aggressively and set ultra attacking fields.  Had the roles been reversed it'd be us polishing off them make no mistake.  That last session was always going to be the toughest and we cracked, just like most teams would and invariably do in those positions.

We'll probably now lose by an innings.  I'm not sure Finn would have made much difference as it was a slow pitch but Swann was disappointing.  England have done less with the ball in 3 days than i've seen for a decade but i'm not panicking. 

So far on this page alone people have called for Bresnan, Swann, Pietersen and Bopara to get dropped. It aint gonna happen and nor should it.  We're not Australia 1994-2007 but we're also not England 1989-1997 either.  Their world class performers have all stood up in this match, as world class performers have a tendency to do from time to time, and good luck to them.  Now we need to back ours to do the same in the next. 


As I am amongst those for calling for some of the players to be dropped I question you calling Bresnan/Bopara "world class" and I would drop them, KP and Swann deserve another chance but as has been stated above we havnt played well in Test Matches for ages and the team need a "wake up call" and lets hope this match gives it to them 

Where did I call Bresnan/Bopara 'world class'?  I'm talking about our 'World class' performers, Cook, Anderson, Swann and Broad.  Theirs, Smith, Amla, Kallis and Steyn got the job done - ours didn't.  I think we played well in the second Test in Sri Lanka and the West Indies series.

I bet every side we play against would love us to drop KP.  And replace him with who?

I wouldn't say we played well against the Windies. They are a poor side, who couldn't take advantage after we twice let them back into matches after batting collapses. The batsman against Pakistan were very poor, as they were KP aside in the series against Sri Lanka.

I don't think anyone has suggested dropping Swann, but at the same time he is not immune from criticism. His bowling in this test has been very poor at best. To not even remotely look like taking a wicket in 50 overs, only to see an inferior spinner like Tahir cause our batsmen all sorts of problems on the same pitch isn't good enough. He'll bounce back because he's a quality performer, but he should be suitably embarrassed at the moment.

KP has got out very poorly both times in this test. (In fairness Trott got out softly too and Strauss's shot was a joke)

Today was especially bad. To miss a dead straight ball by that much is awful. His attitude approaching this test hasn't helped either. Again there's no way he should be dropped though. He's a matchwinner, and hopefully he realises he owes England a match winning performance in this series.

Bopara has to be given all 3 matches. His form in the ODIs was strong and it would be very difficult for someone else to come in for the next match where there will be a lot of pressure, given that England will have to win the match.

The only change I'd make would be Finn for Bresnan (nothing against Bresnan, who is a good cricketer, but Finn is a much more potent bowler and has the potential to be one of the top 3 or 4 in the world on his current ability, never mind the natural progression he'll make)
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Re: England 2012 Cricket Thread
« Reply #962 on: July 23, 2012, 03:19:34 AM »
I actually don't see Finn as the shoe in everybody thinks he might be.  I'd agree that his extra pace and bounce would be an asset but only on the right deck.

So playing Devils advocat, if they did make a change, there's alot to be said for the wicket to wicket nip away of Onions - you only have to take a look at Philander to see what that type of bowler can do in the right conditions (and Onions is still mid to high 80mph).  Next Test is Headingley (?) where it decks about and is probably the best suited pitch for him.

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Re: England 2012 Cricket Thread
« Reply #963 on: July 23, 2012, 09:00:58 AM »
Finn has to be in for me, I rate him highly and since Michael Holding rates him massively that's enough for me.

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Re: England 2012 Cricket Thread
« Reply #964 on: July 23, 2012, 10:24:40 AM »
Talking of 'World Class' players.  My world XI

Smith (C)
Cook
Amla
Jayawardne
Clarke
Kallis
Prior
Broad
Steyn
Anderson/Swann
Ajmal

Depending on pitch conditions, I might go in with two spinners.
After thinking a little while I agree with above selection. Slight question mark over Clarke and Prior but a  good balanced team. Amazing how Indians have slipped out of this sort of ranking over the last 12 months or so?

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Re: England 2012 Cricket Thread
« Reply #965 on: July 23, 2012, 11:31:06 AM »
"Since Tino Best walked out to bat for West Indies at Edgbaston earlier in the summer, England have taken just three Test wickets for 780 runs. They have toiled away for 220 overs, conceding an average of 3.50 runs per over."


That is an indicment of our recent bowling.

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Re: England 2012 Cricket Thread
« Reply #966 on: July 23, 2012, 11:31:52 AM »
what the frig is he playing at that for???

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Re: England 2012 Cricket Thread
« Reply #967 on: July 23, 2012, 11:33:02 AM »
Well I think that's the end of Bopara, another batsman who gets in and then out.

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Re: England 2012 Cricket Thread
« Reply #968 on: July 23, 2012, 11:33:18 AM »
warne said bopara was unlucky, i say stupid!

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Re: England 2012 Cricket Thread
« Reply #969 on: July 23, 2012, 11:40:40 AM »
Our problem is we have become as a team very irresponsible of late and that was demonstrated in the UAE as well. We just go out and play our strokes without taking into account the conditions. The only players who make an effort to do that are Cook and Trott and even then they're not massively consistent at it. I hope he proves me wrong and I really rate him, but Prior is not the sort to hang around for a long time.

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Re: England 2012 Cricket Thread
« Reply #970 on: July 23, 2012, 12:35:32 PM »

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Re: England 2012 Cricket Thread
« Reply #971 on: July 23, 2012, 01:24:58 PM »
We need these two to last until tea and one of them to bat through.

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Re: England 2012 Cricket Thread
« Reply #972 on: July 23, 2012, 01:56:35 PM »
I think we are more than capable of salvaging a draw from this position.  I'd agree with calls for Finn to be included, but I am not sure I'd drop Bresnan being as the next game is on his home ground.  Would really like to see us go in with the five bowlers at Headingley, but not sure if Bresnan is a strong enough batsman at number 7.

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Re: England 2012 Cricket Thread
« Reply #973 on: July 23, 2012, 02:17:29 PM »
I think we are more than capable of salvaging a draw from this position.  I'd agree with calls for Finn to be included, but I am not sure I'd drop Bresnan being as the next game is on his home ground.  Would really like to see us go in with the five bowlers at Headingley, but not sure if Bresnan is a strong enough batsman at number 7.


I wouldn't say 'more than capable', but we have a chance if these two survive until tea and one is batting at the end.

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Re: England 2012 Cricket Thread
« Reply #974 on: July 23, 2012, 02:24:14 PM »
That's that, terrible shot Prior.

 


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