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Offline philthebar

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Re: 0% Villa (yet) - The Sports Direct Arena
« Reply #30 on: November 10, 2011, 02:29:16 PM »
No, no, no.  As other posters have said it is designed to bring (even) more money into the game.

What we need is a reduction of money.

Oh how I yearn for the day that a Premiership club goes to the wall and is treated as most other companies are and forced out of business.  (not like the banks or the Greeks) Only then will the clubs start to see sense.

It won't make a difference - look at what's happened to the likes of Portsmouth, Leeds, Sheff Weds, etc.  All gone to the brink and everyone else has carried on as normal because "it won't happen to them".

The only way things will change is when money is forceably removed from the game.  The bulk of the money comes from TV companies who will keep paying it as long as there are millions of people around the world who want to watch football.

The only way I can see it changing is the way F1 changed.  The amount of money got so ridiculous it led to an uncompetitive sport and the punters started switching off as a result.  They they had to enforce caps on expenditure to make the sport more competitive to try to get the fans back.

We've got a long way to go with football though.  If you look at the highest paid sports stars in the world there aren't too many footballers up there.  Given the global appeal of football I think it's going to get worse before it gets better.

Slightly missing my point - the clubs you mention were brought back from the brink.  I'm saying one of the (so called) big boys needs to go completely out of business, close down, get the wrecking ball in.

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Re: 0% Villa (yet) - The Sports Direct Arena
« Reply #31 on: November 10, 2011, 02:34:36 PM »
Apparently Ashley is offering the naming rights to increase income to be spent on players. Quite admirable, until you hear that the rights are on offer at £8-10 million a year. He'll get some quality players with that sort of money on offer. ;)

To be fair, an extra £8-10m player a year would make a big difference to some clubs, one of which is us!

Offline darren woolley

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Re: 0% Villa (yet) - The Sports Direct Arena
« Reply #32 on: November 10, 2011, 02:47:25 PM »
I believe in tradition and would not want Villa Park to be known as anything other than Villa Park there is too much money in the game and selling the rights to your stadium to be called by whatever name is wrong.

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Re: 0% Villa (yet) - The Sports Direct Arena
« Reply #33 on: November 10, 2011, 04:34:27 PM »
Sorry, but get used to it. It will happen. :(

It was massive for us as supporters when ads were on the shirts. Unforgiveable, anti history and beyond thought.

It happened. We accepted.

Our players - advertising a gambling joint. On the shirt. Now.

What is the difference? Me, I hate the whole bloody subservience to cash. I support a historic club not cornflakes.

Offline Rigadon

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Re: 0% Villa (yet) - The Sports Direct Arena
« Reply #34 on: November 10, 2011, 05:27:52 PM »
The fact of the matter is that we will probably have to do this at some point, just to stay in the Premier League.

In which case I'd rather us go down.  Football still exists outside the Greed League, and is still be enjoyed by the fans who go to these games.
Would you honestly want Villa Park renamed just so a few more average footballers can have even more money - as that's where it would go. Bigger cars outside bigger mansions.



Seconded.   Selling the name of Villa Park isn't going to make a blind bit of difference in us to catching up to the top fucking 5 or whatever it is now.  Why line the pockets even further of a James Collins or Stephen Warnock?  It's just beyond.  Is there nothing sacred or at least not for sale anymore?

 Let's just name ourselves Birmingham United if names aren't important.

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Re: 0% Villa (yet) - The Sports Direct Arena
« Reply #35 on: November 10, 2011, 06:42:50 PM »
No, no, no.  As other posters have said it is designed to bring (even) more money into the game.

What we need is a reduction of money.

Oh how I yearn for the day that a Premiership club goes to the wall and is treated as most other companies are and forced out of business.  (not like the banks or the Greeks) Only then will the clubs start to see sense.

It won't make a difference - look at what's happened to the likes of Portsmouth, Leeds, Sheff Weds, etc.  All gone to the brink and everyone else has carried on as normal because "it won't happen to them".

The only way things will change is when money is forceably removed from the game.  The bulk of the money comes from TV companies who will keep paying it as long as there are millions of people around the world who want to watch football.

The only way I can see it changing is the way F1 changed.  The amount of money got so ridiculous it led to an uncompetitive sport and the punters started switching off as a result.  They they had to enforce caps on expenditure to make the sport more competitive to try to get the fans back.

We've got a long way to go with football though.  If you look at the highest paid sports stars in the world there aren't too many footballers up there.  Given the global appeal of football I think it's going to get worse before it gets better.

Slightly missing my point - the clubs you mention were brought back from the brink.  I'm saying one of the (so called) big boys needs to go completely out of business, close down, get the wrecking ball in.

I'm not missing the point at all.

Football clubs have the most loyal fanbase in the world and unless they're an absolute minnow like Aldershot there will always be someone willing to pick them out of administration on the cheap which is exactly what happened to Portsmouth, Leeds and Sheff Weds.

So the chances of 'a big boy getting the wrecking ball in' is roughly similar to meteors landing on Old Trafford, Stamford Bridge, and the Etihad simultaneously!

Offline TopDeck113

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Re: 0% Villa (yet) - The Sports Direct Arena
« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2011, 10:02:20 AM »
I caught someone on the radio opining that this was football selling it's soul.  That's patent nonsense: the soul was sold years ago, along with all the other major organs.  In fact the only body part that football has left is the orifice that it doesn't mind who shafts, so long as they pay royally for the increasingly dubious privilege.  When all the grounds have naming rights, the next step will be getting players to change their name by deed poll so that in the commentary we will have Etihad Longhaul crossing to Abu Dhabi Resorts to score.

Having said that, it doesn't surprise me in the least that it would be Ashley and his Cockney Mafia who, having enjoyed an excellent start to the season, would find a way of shooting themselves in the foot as far as the fans were concerned.

As a matter of interest, where does the BBC currently stand on explicit advertising?   They should refuse to use the new name if there was a perfectly serviceable original, or at least add their usual caveat:  "Over to Alan Green at the Sports Direct Arena, other chavvy sports retailers are available."

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Re: 0% Villa (yet) - The Sports Direct Arena
« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2011, 02:41:55 PM »
Here's the key point I think everyone is missing (taken from: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/nov/10/newcastle-st-james-park-sports-direct?newsfeed=true )

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The club's managing director, Derek Llambias, insisted there would be significant benefits. Newcastle hope to strike a combined deal for shirt and stadium sponsorship worth about £10m a year. "Our aim for Newcastle United is to continue to deliver success for the fans and everyone associated with the club," Llambias said. "We must make this club financially self-sufficient in order to deliver that success.

Our current sponsorship deal is not far off that (I think £7/8million per year) and that is just for shirt sponsorship. There really is not that much money in sponsoring a stadium. What is that extra £2/3million we are going to get from Genting going to get us? It might enable us to sign another Habib Beye or fund another year of Emile Heskey so in the grand scheme of things it probably won't do much. There just is not much money in letting someone put their name on a stadium everyone is just going to keep on calling St James' Park or Villa Park.

Offline Grande Pablo

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Re: 0% Villa (yet) - The Sports Direct Arena
« Reply #38 on: November 12, 2011, 08:45:23 PM »
Villa to be renamed to Poundland Park.

We'll have a whole new host of celebrity fans should VP become The Genting Arena.

Offline UsualSuspect

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Re: 0% Villa (yet) - The Sports Direct Arena
« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2011, 12:49:34 PM »
a newcastle fan ran talksport the other day to say that the price of his season ticket has been frozen for 3 years and he pays something like 350 quid a season interest free.

He also said that if you agree to have a season ticket for 10 years the price is frozen at 350 for the full ten years.

Personally I think MA is terrible regarding his own PR but fuck me a season ticket for 350 for 13 seasons you cannot knock

Offline TimTheVillain

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Re: 0% Villa (yet) - The Sports Direct Arena
« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2011, 01:18:19 PM »
a newcastle fan ran talksport the other day to say that the price of his season ticket has been frozen for 3 years and he pays something like 350 quid a season interest free.

He also said that if you agree to have a season ticket for 10 years the price is frozen at 350 for the full ten years.

Personally I think MA is terrible regarding his own PR but fuck me a season ticket for 350 for 13 seasons you cannot knock

Frozen for 10 years - and you can opt out.

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/195795,newcastle-fans-can-opt-for-frozen-prices.aspx

« Last Edit: November 13, 2011, 01:28:40 PM by TimTheVillain »

Offline Slaphead

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Re: 0% Villa (yet) - The Sports Direct Arena
« Reply #41 on: November 13, 2011, 01:27:44 PM »
a newcastle fan ran talksport the other day to say that the price of his season ticket has been frozen for 3 years and he pays something like 350 quid a season interest free.

He also said that if you agree to have a season ticket for 10 years the price is frozen at 350 for the full ten years.

Personally I think MA is terrible regarding his own PR but fuck me a season ticket for 350 for 13 seasons you cannot knock

In 5 years that money will be spent and they will have a lot less income, Ashley is just trying to make as much money as he can and then leave.

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Re: 0% Villa (yet) - The Sports Direct Arena
« Reply #42 on: November 13, 2011, 09:42:55 PM »
The renaming of St James' Park has now been officially agreed: Ashley Sports Direct Arena (ASDA for short)

Offline The Laughing Policeman

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Re: 0% Villa (yet) - The Sports Direct Arena
« Reply #43 on: November 14, 2011, 08:29:04 AM »
Danny Baker on Saturday called it the "Buy Our Cheap Plimsolls Stadium". ;D

Offline UsualSuspect

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Re: 0% Villa (yet) - The Sports Direct Arena
« Reply #44 on: November 14, 2011, 10:07:44 AM »
a newcastle fan ran talksport the other day to say that the price of his season ticket has been frozen for 3 years and he pays something like 350 quid a season interest free.

He also said that if you agree to have a season ticket for 10 years the price is frozen at 350 for the full ten years.

Personally I think MA is terrible regarding his own PR but fuck me a season ticket for 350 for 13 seasons you cannot knock

In 5 years that money will be spent and they will have a lot less income, Ashley is just trying to make as much money as he can and then leave.

So what if he is?

It is his to as he pleases with.

RL could do exactly the same

 


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