Aston Villa v Tesco Bags Post-Match Thread

[PeterWithesShin]

If anything it was a foul on Herd the way he was being pulled.

The Hutton one was, errrrr, certainly a  full bloodied challenge. Does the fact he won the ball stop it being a red card offence? Does winning the ball make it a perfectly timed, if full bloodied challenge? Whereas a second later and missing the ball and taking out the player makes it a 100% red card.

Genuine question as to where the line is between committed challenge and reckless one?

[Greg N'Ash]

If anything it was a foul on Herd the way he was being pulled.

The Hutton one was, errrrr, certainly a  full bloodied challenge. Does the fact he won the ball stop it being a red card offence? Does winning the ball make it a perfectly timed, if full bloodied challenge? Whereas a second later and missing the ball and taking out the player makes it a 100% red card.

Genuine question as to where the line is between committed challenge and reckless one?

two footed is usually a nailed on red. doesn't matter if you get the ball

[Tony]

If anything it was a foul on Herd the way he was being pulled.

The Hutton one was, errrrr, certainly a  full bloodied challenge. Does the fact he won the ball stop it being a red card offence? Does winning the ball make it a perfectly timed, if full bloodied challenge? Whereas a second later and missing the ball and taking out the player makes it a 100% red card.

Genuine question as to where the line is between committed challenge and reckless one?

Winning the ball doesn't get you off the hook if its reckless, I said earlier that Hutton's saving grace seems to have been he didn't go in studs first, some refs would have sent him off for it.

[CJ]

Having seen the highlights on MOTD I think the 'officials' got 3 big calls wrong: Hutton's tackle should have been a red card; the Herd/Olson incident should have been a free kick to us as Olson pulled Herd over - and for Roy to claim there was a stamp after he'd seen a replay was just ludicrous; Odemwingie's disallowed goal looked onside, although they didn't do the white line thing so not 100% sure. Hopefully we'll appeal the red card.

[Dave]

The important distinction is if the tackle is "careless, reckless or using excessive force".

And a case could definitely be made for Hutton's being all three of those. Winning the ball or not is irrelevant in the above context.

[PaulWinch again]

Hodgson's claim it was a stamp is a disgrace and I've lost a great deal of respect for the man.

[Tony]

The big difference between the Hutton and Herd incidents is that Hutton would have got a lot less sympathy had he been sent off, there is absolutely no excuse for the linesman to have given the Herd decision, especially as he had a perfect view of Herd being fouled in the first place.

[taylorsworkrate]

If anything it was a foul on Herd the way he was being pulled.

The Hutton one was, errrrr, certainly a  full bloodied challenge. Does the fact he won the ball stop it being a red card offence? Does winning the ball make it a perfectly timed, if full bloodied challenge? Whereas a second later and missing the ball and taking out the player makes it a 100% red card.

Genuine question as to where the line is between committed challenge and reckless one?

two footed is usually a nailed on red. doesn't matter if you get the ball

Correct, If a player goes into a challenge recklessly, with unnecessary force thereby endangering the opposing player, its a stone wall red card.

Shane Long could easily have had his leg broken today.

[taylorsworkrate]

Hodgson's claim it was a stamp is a disgrace and I've lost a great deal of respect for the man.

Me too, which is a shame as I've always liked him.

[pauliewalnuts]

Hutton really is the most brainless player we've had for a long time. He always seems to be teetering on the edge of doing something stupid, and that tackle today was truly idiotic.

If you go in with both feet off the ground, you're as good as off these days.

[PeterWithesShin]

I would like to point out that i'm not defending Hutton, and wouldn't have argued if he had been red carded, am just curious where other posters see the line between the scenario I posed.

[Greg N'Ash]

think what saved hutton is long ended arse over tit a fair distance off. If he'd connected with long when he was stationary then we'd probably have had a broken leg on our hands. Hodgson milked it afterwards but i reckon long will be back in a few weeks. Hutton was a very lucky boy imo.

[Dave]

I would like to point out that i'm not defending Hutton, and wouldn't have argued if he had been red carded, am just curious where other posters see the line between the scenario I posed.

As has been said, there's no distinction in the scenario you've posted.

Touching the ball or not is irrelevant under the current laws. Split second before or split second after - it's all the same.

[PaulWinch again]

Hutton's was a red, but the fact it wasn't given doesn't mean that Herd being sent off somehow evens it up. What's worse for Herd is that he's a young guy trying to make a career and this could potentially have a big effect. The chances are it'll be rescinded, but if it isn't it could be terrible for his Villa career.

[PeterWithesShin]

Hutton really is the most brainless player we've had for a long time. He always seems to be teetering on the edge of doing something stupid, and that tackle today was truly idiotic.

If you go in with both feet off the ground, you're as good as off these days.

He does seem an accident waiting to happen. I hope Carlos gets a run of games at RB. Which is kind of weird considering I didn't like him playing there under MON. Then again, i'd rather have NRC/Gardner there than Hutton right now.