Aston Villa v Tesco Bags Post-Match Thread

[Greg N'Ash]

Heskey coming on was odd. You have to wonder what's ireland done to get passed over for a clapped out forward - i mean ireland's been average but still...Ivanhoe? Mind you the whole bench is hardly burting with alternatives. Delfouneso.. is he ever gonna get a run or will he be quietly let go next summer?

I presume the logic is that our best opportunity was likely to come from a set-piece lumped into their box. Combined with the poor defending from their corners a big lump might have been useful. Flawed logic on the manager's park with Clark was the obvious choice to come on instead, particularly in light the goals he scored last season from set-pieces.

Delfouneso is injured, so I'm not sure what relevance he has to yesterday.

oh right. bbc name him as a sub for some reason.

[Clampy]

If Delfouneso is injured why was he on the bench yesterday?

I did'nt realise he was, i did'nt hear the subs to be honest.

[Boz]

This team yesterday looked as lacking in any passion or desire as they did under GH.

Christmas will see us in the bottom five if not lower, and in January Bent will be looking to find another club as the major  reason he joined us have both left.

[Vanilla]

Heskey coming on was odd. You have to wonder what's ireland done to get passed over for a clapped out forward - i mean ireland's been average but still...Ivanhoe? Mind you the whole bench is hardly burting with alternatives. Delfouneso.. is he ever gonna get a run or will he be quietly let go next summer?

I presume the logic is that our best opportunity was likely to come from a set-piece lumped into their box. Combined with the poor defending from their corners a big lump might have been useful. Flawed logic on the manager's park with Clark was the obvious choice to come on instead, particularly in light the goals he scored last season from set-pieces.

Delfouneso is injured, so I'm not sure what relevance he has to yesterday.

oh right. bbc name him as a sub for some reason.

I saw Delfouneso on the bench. What happened to Delph?

[Clampy]

Delph was taken ill overnight apparantley.

I'd start Albrighton next week. N'zogbia had his chance again yesterday and did'nt take it.

[TheTimVilla]

Heskey coming on was odd. You have to wonder what's ireland done to get passed over for a clapped out forward - i mean ireland's been average but still...Ivanhoe? Mind you the whole bench is hardly burting with alternatives. Delfouneso.. is he ever gonna get a run or will he be quietly let go next summer?

I presume the logic is that our best opportunity was likely to come from a set-piece lumped into their box. Combined with the poor defending from their corners a big lump might have been useful. Flawed logic on the manager's park with Clark was the obvious choice to come on instead, particularly in light the goals he scored last season from set-pieces.

Delfouneso is injured, so I'm not sure what relevance he has to yesterday.

oh right. bbc name him as a sub for some reason.

And The Telegraph.

[Tony]

Heskey coming on was odd. You have to wonder what's ireland done to get passed over for a clapped out forward - i mean ireland's been average but still...Ivanhoe? Mind you the whole bench is hardly burting with alternatives. Delfouneso.. is he ever gonna get a run or will he be quietly let go next summer?

The only thing I can think of is that Heskey was supposed to win headers to flick on to Gabby or Bent, however once it became clear the long balls were bypassing Heskey, which they were, he should have been shoved further forward.

[Dave]

Heskey coming on was odd. You have to wonder what's ireland done to get passed over for a clapped out forward - i mean ireland's been average but still...Ivanhoe? Mind you the whole bench is hardly burting with alternatives. Delfouneso.. is he ever gonna get a run or will he be quietly let go next summer?

I presume the logic is that our best opportunity was likely to come from a set-piece lumped into their box. Combined with the poor defending from their corners a big lump might have been useful. Flawed logic on the manager's park with Clark was the obvious choice to come on instead, particularly in light the goals he scored last season from set-pieces.

Delfouneso is injured, so I'm not sure what relevance he has to yesterday.

oh right. bbc name him as a sub for some reason.

Fair point. I read in the week that he was still out with the injury he got with the U21s.

Even so, I'm not sure yesterday was the right sort of scenario for him to come on - and I'd have brought Heskey on over Fonz as well.

But I still wouldn't have bothered bringing Heskey on.

[Greg N'Ash]

Heskey coming on was odd. You have to wonder what's ireland done to get passed over for a clapped out forward - i mean ireland's been average but still...Ivanhoe? Mind you the whole bench is hardly burting with alternatives. Delfouneso.. is he ever gonna get a run or will he be quietly let go next summer?

I presume the logic is that our best opportunity was likely to come from a set-piece lumped into their box. Combined with the poor defending from their corners a big lump might have been useful. Flawed logic on the manager's park with Clark was the obvious choice to come on instead, particularly in light the goals he scored last season from set-pieces.

Delfouneso is injured, so I'm not sure what relevance he has to yesterday.

oh right. bbc name him as a sub for some reason.

Fair point. I read in the week that he was still out with the injury he got with the U21s.

Even so, I'm not sure yesterday was the right sort of scenario for him to come on - and I'd have brought Heskey on over Fonz as well.

But I still wouldn't have bothered bringing Heskey on.

Dunno. After the 2nd went in i would have gone for it. might as well lose 3-1 than 2-1. fonz may have caused them some problems but we all knew Ivanhoe wouldn't

[PeterWithesShin]

In hindsight we'd have been better taking off Bent when we went down to 10 men as I can't remember a useful thing he did after that. And imagine the pelters Heskey would get for that miss if it had been him smacking that chance into the Lower North crowd.

[olaftab]

On the setanta feed yesterday, Pat Nevin said that Herd didn't argue so he must have been guilty. Case closed.

Because arguing would make the ref change his mind.

That is  great well done Pat Niven. Kids listening to that have learnt that they MUST argue if they are cautioned by the referee.

[Karlos96]

Not much else to add to what has already been said the linesman / Dowd were a disgrace it was never a penalty or sending off in a million years. 

If I have to watch them lump another ball forward to Bent I'm not going to be responsible for my actions.  All game that's all they do, Bent will never win it in the air it's not his game and it never bloody will be.  I can't believe Bannan has come in for stick on here he is one of the few players actually tries to play the kind of balls Bent needs, ok they might not always come off but at least he knows what he needs.

I have to say it is pretty depressing watching us at the moment, the whole club appears to have just given up.

[olaftab]

Probably going over old ground (not read the whole thread, life's too short), but most teams react to adversity and oing down to ten men by showing some character and fight, we, with the honourable exception of Barry Banana, rolled over and let West Brom (fucking West Brom for fucks sake) tickle our parts. Absolutely pathetic.
 Yes the sending off was bollocks, and yes we may have lost the game anyway, but to not even look like they wanted to battle for the cause is unforgivable. I spent most of the second half laughing with a couple of blokes behind me, because if we didn't take the piss out of the pathetic bunch of losers we'd have been smashing up the Witton Lane End.
 

You are ...going over stuff that has been said but bloody obvious needs to be restated here again and again. Yes poor decisions are made but the fact is they missed the pen and that  and the unfair sending off  of one of your kid players should have provided the catalyst for the senior players and a good  coach (?) to do something positive. As you say FFS it was West Brom a donkey PL team we were playing.  Hodgson sorted us out last season when his team was down to 10.

[Greg N'Ash]

Not much else to add to what has already been said the linesman / Dowd were a disgrace it was never a penalty or sending off in a million years. 

If I have to watch them lump another ball forward to Bent I'm not going to be responsible for my actions.  All game that's all they do, Bent will never win it in the air it's not his game and it never bloody will be.  I can't believe Bannan has come in for stick on here he is one of the few players actually tries to play the kind of balls Bent needs, ok they might not always come off but at least he knows what he needs.

I have to say it is pretty depressing watching us at the moment, the whole club appears to have just given up.

yep, its criminal playing those sort of balls to Bent. Why FFS? Just sell him if he doesn't suit your style of play. The way its going we'll end up offloading him at a loss when last season he was looking a bargain.

[luke25]

Probably going over old ground (not read the whole thread, life's too short), but most teams react to adversity and oing down to ten men by showing some character and fight, we, with the honourable exception of Barry Banana, rolled over and let West Brom (fucking West Brom for fucks sake) tickle our parts. Absolutely pathetic.
 Yes the sending off was bollocks, and yes we may have lost the game anyway, but to not even look like they wanted to battle for the cause is unforgivable. I spent most of the second half laughing with a couple of blokes behind me, because if we didn't take the piss out of the pathetic bunch of losers we'd have been smashing up the Witton Lane End.
 

You are ...going over stuff that has been said but bloody obvious needs to be restated here again and again. Yes poor decisions are made but the fact is they missed the pen and that  and the unfair sending off  of one of your kid players should have provided the catalyst for the senior players and a good  coach (?) to do something positive. As you say FFS it was West Brom a donkey PL team we were playing.  Hodgson sorted us out last season when his team was down to 10.

That point about them going down to 10 at the Hawthorns is spot on, we were dominating the game 11v11 but as soon as Scharner went they did what we should've done yesterday, stifle the midfield and hit us on the break, its basic fucking stuff.