Boo Boy's Out For Mcleish.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

And to think some of us (me included) thought we were in with a shout for Ancelloti!

The thing is, we probably were. That's what's so confusing about the appointment, we went from one extreme to the other. Ancelloti aside, how do you go from Benitez to AM? Chalk and cheese.

[stuart445]

All I heard was the sound of silence with occasional murmurs of exasperation. No booing.

were you all there to the end because the ground exploded with boos at the end?

Yes I was there to the end, and about ten minutes after the final whistle we were still singing and chanting for The Villa. But there again in this age of instant gratification we are probably looked upon as deluded fools.
I prefer too look upon it as total support for your club no matter what.
And if the ground "exploded with boos" how come the 21,500 people booing didn't drown out the songs of the 500 or so in L1 and L2?
It's time to get behind the team and the manager and not too boo them, or come on here whingeing about things.
If you're Villa Till You Die you don't boo the players or manager.

Ok you can sit/stand there and smile with the blinkers on if you want and you can keep doing it in the Championship next season, that is the way it's heading unless he does something different. He hasn't since he came to england so why would he now (if several relegations haven't told him he's doing something wrong then nothing will)

One last thing I have been a season ticket holder for 14 seasons now and have never booed before but i couldn't withhold my extreme anger after the match and don't F***king tell me i don't support my club because i booed.  I've been home & away for the past 3 seasons including Hamburg and Rapid Vienna x2 whilst unemployed nearly bankrupting myself so i am very committed. I don't want us in the championship because unless things change that is where we will be next season. Tuesday was the worset performance i have ever seen which includes the games i saw before i had a season ticket.

[andrew08]

It was certainly right up there with both Vienna performances Stuart. And AM purchased the centre half from us who played  (crap) in both those games.

[Stu]

And to think some of us (me included) thought we were in with a shout for Ancelloti!

Yep. While members of this forum were playing 'which Champions League winning manager do we prefer', the board was playing 'which relegation battle manager won't turn us down'.

And if that's true, then they couldn't have picked a worse man than Alex McLeish, who has already proved on two occasions that when the rot sets in, he can't turn it around. I'm hoping we'll be ok this season and avoid getting dragged into a scrap down the bottom, but I think a couple of defeats will see the players heads go down more than they already are.

McLeish is a lousy manager, we all know that - why did the board make such a terrible appointment? I really don't see what he offered, other than probably being happy to work under financial constraints. If that's the limit of ambition though, I'll be keeping my money in my pocket, thanks - I've got precious little of it as it is.

[Eigentor]

And to think some of us (me included) thought we were in with a shout for Ancelloti!

The thing is, we probably were. That's what's so confusing about the appointment, we went from one extreme to the other. Ancelloti aside, how do you go from Benitez to AM? Chalk and cheese.

It was very odd. We approached Ancelotti, he wouldn't talk to us. Then we interviewed/spoke to Benitez for 15 minutes before deciding he wanted too much control. So we set up an interview with McClaren, but for some reason we changed our mind and cancelled. After that we approached Wigan to speak with Martinez, but he didn't want to. And in the end we went for McLeish, who has a completely different style and footballing ideology, arguing that he is a 'perfect fit'. Oh well.

[stuart445]

It was certainly right up there with both Vienna performances Stuart. And AM purchased the centre half from us who played  (crap) in both those games.

Home games were better.... We Scored for starters.

The Away games can't tell you to be honest i was Very drunk for both of them and remember little about both trips.

[The Man With A Stick]

If there was any booing, I'd like to think it was aimed at the players.  We put a decent team out and they couldn't motivate themselves to get a result against a second-string Bolton side.

It doesn't all come down the manager, but if it's convenient to blame him then go for it.

[Compass]

If there was any booing, I'd like to think it was aimed at the players.  We put a decent team out and they couldn't motivate themselves to get a result against a second-string Bolton side.

It doesn't all come down the manager, but if it's convenient to blame him then go for it.

Indeed.

I think what needs to happen right now is Collins delivers more hoofs in the future he should be booed everytime. He gets paid alot of money and he doesn't even make an effort with the ball.

I also think Delph, Albrighton, Ireland and N'Zogbia deserve venom if they carry on their poor form of football. They would struggle in the Championship. Ireland deserves it the most though. He is robbing us blind with the high wages his on contributing fuck all on the pitch. Has he ever broken a sweat in a Villa shirt?

[martin]

If there was any booing, I'd like to think it was aimed at the players.  We put a decent team out and they couldn't motivate themselves to get a result against a second-string Bolton side.

It doesn't all come down the manager, but if it's convenient

Nobody boos the players without an implicit criticism of the manager who picked them and instructed them.

"The team were woeful tonight but, you know, the manager, he was excellent. If only the dreadful players were as good as our wonderful manager." 

When did you last hear that one outside Cloud Cuckoo Land?

[Vanilla]

If there was any booing, I'd like to think it was aimed at the players.  We put a decent team out and they couldn't motivate themselves to get a result against a second-string Bolton side.

It doesn't all come down the manager, but if it's convenient to blame him then go for it.

Indeed.

I think what needs to happen right now is Collins delivers more hoofs in the future he should be booed everytime. He gets paid alot of money and he doesn't even make an effort with the ball.

I also think Delph, Albrighton, Ireland and N'Zogbia deserve venom if they carry on their poor form of football. They would struggle in the Championship. Ireland deserves it the most though. He is robbing us blind with the high wages his on contributing fuck all on the pitch. Has he ever broken a sweat in a Villa shirt?

Three out of the four names you listed in your last paragraph, many supporters thought would be the driving force this season.

[Villanation]

And to think some of us (me included) thought we were in with a shout for Ancelloti!

The thing is, we probably were. That's what's so confusing about the appointment, we went from one extreme to the other. Ancelloti aside, how do you go from Benitez to AM? Chalk and cheese.

It was very odd. We approached Ancelotti, he wouldn't talk to us. Then we interviewed/spoke to Benitez for 15 minutes before deciding he wanted too much control. So we set up an interview with McClaren, but for some reason we changed our mind and cancelled. After that we approached Wigan to speak with Martinez, but he didn't want to. And in the end we went for McLeish, who has a completely different style and footballing ideology, arguing that he is a 'perfect fit'. Oh well.

This:

http://www.daylife.com/article/0dKUbMs632amR

 was widely reported across many papers all over Europe, experienced manager that likes good attacking football, he wanted the job and IMO would have been a step up from Houllier and MON......but we choose to ignore the man.

Also gone on record saying he still wants the job, there's no excuse.

[TheSandman]

He probably wouldn't have when he found the constraints he would be working under.

I really don't understand the handwringing around booing. It's not particularly bad on here but it is in the media. I personally tend not to do it but I feel that you pay your money and so you should have your say if something is unacceptably poor in your opinion.

[Rigadon]

He probably wouldn't have when he found the constraints he would be working under.

I really don't understand the handwringing around booing. It's not particularly bad on here but it is in the media. I personally tend not to do it but I feel that you pay your money and so you should have your say if something is unacceptably poor in your opinion.

I agree, the wringing of hands is OTT.  But I can also understand why people are pissed off - another false dawn after so much promise - but my view is that it's really nobody's fault so blaming Lerner / MON / Houllier / AM / Bob Hoskins is futile.  Still time for AM to turn it around but the fact is he shouldn't be having to turn it around after one whole defeat.  It's some of the vitriol on here  that I find most uncomfortable, bluenose ****** this, wish he'd just sell up and fuck off that.  Really boring.

[brian green]

The booing thing is one of the many crutches used by lazy, second rate sports journalists to prop up and pad out reports so that they can get down the pub having not broken sweat.

These same lazy journalists have brought about the notion that teams can be condensed into the identity of their manager.   When we had O'Neill we were written about and broadcast about as though Aston Villa Football Club was somehow an enlarged version of him.   Spurs are 'Arry, Arsenal are French Wenger, West Ham are Fat Sam.

You can compare it to predictive spelling on a mobile phone.   Instead of the full range of the english language and the complete events of ninety minutes of football, there are twenty or thirty stock images, phrases, similies and metaphors which can be pasted together to fill the space available.   Thus 'The Reds' can be Liverpool, Man U, Forest etc, The Blues can be Small Heath, Chelsea, Ipswich and so forth.

"Boo boys" is just one of those stock cut and paste expressions like "Man of the match" "Club in crisis" "Horror injury" "Wonder goal" "Heads going down" "Comeback kid" "Forgotten man""My (name of club) nightmare".    "Boo boys" is particularly popular because it has alliteration, only seven letters and reaches out to all the tabloid readers who never go to games to reinforce their prejudices against the modern game and to justify the fact that they are too mean and too mean spirited to get off their arses to see a live game.

Lazy journalists stroking lazy readers.

[Dave Cooper please]

That's the best post you've ever made, Greg.

Talk about damning with faint praise.