Club Statement

[hilts_coolerking]

The off button seems like a good option when faced with reading that on here every day from the same old crowd.

Excellent.

[Eigentor]

We need to move on and stop whinging and fucking moaning about something we can't change.

Does this mean that I can't whinge and moan if McLeish plays Heskey? Because I doubt that I'll be able to influence team selections.

[Toronto Villa]

You are now either going to refocus and get behind the club and hope the manager succeeds or you're going to keep on with complaining about it which is getting so exhausting. Look, almost none of us wanted him, but he's here now. Give him a chance to win you over. Is that really so much to ask?

No, it isn't too much to ask, and pretty much every single poster on here has said they'll give him a chance.

However, giving him a chance and pretending his previous record doesn't matter are two totally different things.

If people are going to consider his previous record then they should look at the total body of work, and not just concentrate on the 2 relegations that seem to occupy everybody's attention. While the 2 relegations don't look good on his CV, it doesn't 100% guarantee that this is what McLeish will be for the remainder of this managerial career and especially now being in an entirely different working environment and circumstance.

[Rip Van We Go Again]

My position is simple. We need to move on and stop whinging and fucking moaning about something we can't change.

Well what you see as 'Whinging and fucking moaning'
I see as constructive criticism.

I haven't seen any comments on McLeish's record during this thread that could be misconstrued as moaning.

We're all willing to give him a chance and i'm sure we all want him to succeed, but that shouldn't erase the thorny issue of his past record.

[Risso]

I honestly couldn't give a shite that he came from Blues.  In fact Paulie made a good point yesterday, ie that if we'd nabbed him after he'd just finished 4th in the PL with them I'd congratulate the board on managing to procure such a good manager.

All I want is a manager who I think will do well for Villa.  If that man was Trevor Francis, I wouldn't care about his Blues connection at all.

[Toronto Villa]

The off button seems like a good option when faced with reading that on here every day from the same old crowd.

Excellent.

Do you just sit in a dark room all day? Must be well depressing.

[Risso]

You are now either going to refocus and get behind the club and hope the manager succeeds or you're going to keep on with complaining about it which is getting so exhausting. Look, almost none of us wanted him, but he's here now. Give him a chance to win you over. Is that really so much to ask?

No, it isn't too much to ask, and pretty much every single poster on here has said they'll give him a chance.

However, giving him a chance and pretending his previous record doesn't matter are two totally different things.

If people are going to consider his previous record then they should look at the total body of work, and not just concentrate on the 2 relegations that seem to occupy everybody's attention. While the 2 relegations don't look good on his CV, it doesn't 100% guarantee that this is what McLeish will be for the remainder of this managerial career and especially now being in an entirely different working environment and circumstance.

I don't know what you do for a living, but you and Chris would make terrible HR managers.

[Rip Van We Go Again]

While the 2 relegations don't look good on his CV, it doesn't 100% guarantee that this is what McLeish will be for the remainder of this managerial career

Obviously not.
But a past working record is surely an important indicator of how a person will perform.

You wouldn't employ an electrician who had a history of electrocuting himself.

[Toronto Villa]

My position is simple. We need to move on and stop whinging and fucking moaning about something we can't change.

Well what you see as 'Whinging and fucking moaning'
I see as constructive criticism.

I haven't seen any comments on McLeish's record during this thread that could be misconstrued as moaning.

We're all willing to give him a chance and i'm sure we all want him to succeed, but that shouldn't erase the thorny issue of his past record.

I'm not dismissing his past. I completely agree that it contributes to who is he is. But his past should just be about his relegations which consumes every discussion and argument about his past. His past, if you are to have a fair discussion includes league titles and cups. He still won them, and one them involved beating us along the way and tactically outdoing Arsenal in the final.

His past also should be a 100% indicator of what he can do in different circumstances. If he was still at Blues, under the same working environment I'd agree that the likelihood of things improving would be slim. But sometimes getting away from a difficult situation can help. I'm willing to see if it does. I hope I'm right. I could be horribly wrong. I just don't know.

[Toronto Villa]

While the 2 relegations don't look good on his CV, it doesn't 100% guarantee that this is what McLeish will be for the remainder of this managerial career

Obviously not.
But a past working record is surely an important indicator of how a person will perform.

You wouldn't employ an electrician who had a history of electrocuting himself.

His entire history or just a couple of examples? And maybe the house that he did it in was fucked from the start and the owners were complete wankers and threw water on him as worked.

[Villanation]

I really cannot see the point of beating the shit out of this. Are people who are still staunchly against him being manager, for whatever reason going to do anything other than continuously analyze and moan for the rest of the season? The only fuel you have to continue to your argument and position is if he actually fails. Otherwise, it's over and done with. Had the club employed any other employed manager we'd have paid some form of compensation so that part in my opinion is a pointless argument. They identfied a candidate, did what they had to do and now he's in place.

You are now either going to refocus and get behind the club and hope the manager succeeds or you're going to keep on with complaining about it which is getting so exhausting. Look, almost none of us wanted him, but he's here now. Give him a chance to win you over. Is that really so much to ask?

There's always an off button, tv.  What you have to accept is that there are a significant number of fans, not least on H&V, who don't share your almost Timmy Mallet levels of enthusiasm and perkiness.  In fact, speaking for myself, I haven't felt quite so dispirited about a forthcoming season since before O'Neill arrived.  If, in the face of the McLeish appointment and the lowering of expectations, you still find reason to be incredibly positive then I salute you.  But it's unreasonable to expect everyone else to share that view, or to refrain from posting about how they do feel.  And if that means there are threads you feel you don't want to contribute to, then steer clear of them.  As much as you can't see the point in some threads, you have to accept that others do.

You couldn't have posted more bollocks if you'd tried hilts. It would be no different to me calling you an eternal miserable bastard about asll things Villa which I'd be wrong in doing. I'm not spouting optimism on this, though clearly the fact that perceive it be bothers you. Where have I been "incredibly positive"? Where have I once stated that I'd delighted with AM, and I'm really looking forward to the season. You'll do well to find one post that I've made remotely suggesting that. What you will find is several pots suggesting that we need to give the bloke a chance now that he's here.

My position is simple. We need to move on and stop whinging and fucking moaning about something we can't change. You clearly didn't read my post before jumping to your conclusion on my stance with regard to this topic. But yes feel free to contribute to another 50 pages of "oh woe is us", "everything at Villa is shit", "the board are completely incompetent", "we've settled for mid table for ever and ever". The off button seems like a good option when faced with reading that on here every day from the same old crowd.


Interesting, can you post some photo's please.......

I think there are people that will be upbeat about pretty much anything and fair play to that, i think the point you are making with regards to getting on with it, its done, now lets back him notion, doesn't take into account that there are those who simply don't rate the bloke, that also think this is the worst of all options, and to add salt to the wound we paid our loathing neighbours for the privilege.

But more than all this there are those who may feel a sense of foreboding that is only just around the corner of what we maybe in for who would otherwise be looking forward to justifying spending on season tickets, travelling around the country, but most of all a good season with just maybe something at the end of it.

My stance on this is simple, I hope the bloke holds it together and does OK, what i dread is seeing advertised across the whole Premiership is the kind of displays that Villa can do oh so well, if this goes wrong, and how embarrassing this may turn out.

This has the potential of a soap opera that i really don't want to see the likes of Lineker and Hanson and the other geezer waxing lyrical about on MOTD with the kind of statement " well Alan where did it all go wrong for Villa".

[Chris Smith]

You are now either going to refocus and get behind the club and hope the manager succeeds or you're going to keep on with complaining about it which is getting so exhausting. Look, almost none of us wanted him, but he's here now. Give him a chance to win you over. Is that really so much to ask?

No, it isn't too much to ask, and pretty much every single poster on here has said they'll give him a chance.

However, giving him a chance and pretending his previous record doesn't matter are two totally different things.

If people are going to consider his previous record then they should look at the total body of work, and not just concentrate on the 2 relegations that seem to occupy everybody's attention. While the 2 relegations don't look good on his CV, it doesn't 100% guarantee that this is what McLeish will be for the remainder of this managerial career and especially now being in an entirely different working environment and circumstance.

I don't know what you do for a living, but you and Chris would make terrible HR managers.

I agree, all that pretending to be nice to people while stabbing them in the back isn't my cup of tea.

[Toronto Villa]

You are now either going to refocus and get behind the club and hope the manager succeeds or you're going to keep on with complaining about it which is getting so exhausting. Look, almost none of us wanted him, but he's here now. Give him a chance to win you over. Is that really so much to ask?

No, it isn't too much to ask, and pretty much every single poster on here has said they'll give him a chance.

However, giving him a chance and pretending his previous record doesn't matter are two totally different things.

If people are going to consider his previous record then they should look at the total body of work, and not just concentrate on the 2 relegations that seem to occupy everybody's attention. While the 2 relegations don't look good on his CV, it doesn't 100% guarantee that this is what McLeish will be for the remainder of this managerial career and especially now being in an entirely different working environment and circumstance.

I don't know what you do for a living, but you and Chris would make terrible HR managers.

I have no idea what you're on about. Are you suggesting that all companies make good hires all the time? Or maybe some companies make hires they are not sure about that turn out to be great, and other make what they consider good hires at the time that turn out to be crap. You're statement makes no sense at all Risso.

[Rip Van We Go Again]

My position is simple. We need to move on and stop whinging and fucking moaning about something we can't change.

Well what you see as 'Whinging and fucking moaning'
I see as constructive criticism.

I haven't seen any comments on McLeish's record during this thread that could be misconstrued as moaning.

We're all willing to give him a chance and i'm sure we all want him to succeed, but that shouldn't erase the thorny issue of his past record.

I'm not dismissing his past. I completely agree that it contributes to who is he is. But his past should just be about his relegations which consumes every discussion and argument about his past. His past, if you are to have a fair discussion includes league titles and cups. He still won them, and one them involved beating us along the way and tactically outdoing Arsenal in the final.

I do take my hat off to his League cup win, although this is tempered by the spiralling form afterwards that caused their relegation.
To quote my Blues Mate
'They seemed to think it was job done after the League cup win, it wasn't tiredness or squad size that caused the relegation, it was complacency'
That worries me after being told what a great motivator he is.

And i'm sorry, I still can't take the Scottish stuff seriously.
Gordon Strachan won 6 trophies up there, 3 of them League titles and he was a resounding failure at Middlesbrough.

[Rip Van We Go Again]

You are now either going to refocus and get behind the club and hope the manager succeeds or you're going to keep on with complaining about it which is getting so exhausting. Look, almost none of us wanted him, but he's here now. Give him a chance to win you over. Is that really so much to ask?

No, it isn't too much to ask, and pretty much every single poster on here has said they'll give him a chance.

However, giving him a chance and pretending his previous record doesn't matter are two totally different things.

If people are going to consider his previous record then they should look at the total body of work, and not just concentrate on the 2 relegations that seem to occupy everybody's attention. While the 2 relegations don't look good on his CV, it doesn't 100% guarantee that this is what McLeish will be for the remainder of this managerial career and especially now being in an entirely different working environment and circumstance.

I don't know what you do for a living, but you and Chris would make terrible HR managers.

I agree, all that pretending to be nice to people while stabbing them in the back isn't my cup of tea.

Care to elaborate?