Who Should be Aston Villa Manager ? Now with new, revised poll

[leylandalbion]

Its blindingly obvious.  This guy has got SH promoted twice and won a trophy.  He's a genius.  Lets get behind him and give it a go.
Imagine in 5 yrs when he's a SAF like figure - the hatred the bluenoses will have!

[Iago]

Pointless appointment if you ask me. Doomed from the start.

To have any chance of winning over the support, McLeish is going to have to exceed all expectations but with his track-record and penchant for anti-football, it's extremely unlikely he's got it in him.

Just a repeat of Hodgson with you guys then ?

Exactly.

The two situations  are not comparable.

In as much as both clubs appointed a manager against the will of their support, I reckon they are.

Would you say Rafa was a popular figure or not? Because he was always going to be difficult to replace with Roy.

I truly believe AM can win the supporters over and bring us some much needed success with the right investment.

[old man villa fan]

Surely McLeish is like anybody else, in that he has to prove himself at a level before moving up to the next step.

For parts of last season he put out a team that were well organised and difficult to beat, (yes we all know what happened with the last kick of a match on a day when 2 of 5 teams could have gone down, and we weren't placed much more attractively for most of the season either) but certainly going into those Derbys wasn't comfortable as Blues were a threat. Then he pushes the mighty Villa out of the way to achieve cup success against the odds with that same team. Now he's ready for the next rung in his career, a step up to bigger and more successful club. If he can instill some of that grit and tenacity into our team of much better players and a more balanced squad, then we're going to some fuckin team.

I've read on here many times that we don't want a manager who sees Villa as a step down, as a payday, as a last chance at glory, a return to the prem, or to bask in the reflected glory of their previous roles. Or even a manager who is foreign for the sake of it. McL is none of those.

It is not as if McLeish is a young and up and coming manager.  He has been in this game for 17 years, yes, 17 years.  He has a consistent theme that keeps on cropping up on his CV - failing to deliver and resorting to negative football.

He has had a fair degree of success if you look at his CV without being bias. I  am just focused on what his does at this football club.

I am not being biased.  I posted a summary of his record earlier.  Other than the cup this year, his only other notable successes have been in a two horse race where he won 2 titles in 5 seasons.  Usually in Scotland, whichever of the 2 clubs has money at the time will more than likely come out on top.

[Holy Trinity]

Surely McLeish is like anybody else, in that he has to prove himself at a level before moving up to the next step.

For parts of last season he put out a team that were well organised and difficult to beat, (yes we all know what happened with the last kick of a match on a day when 2 of 5 teams could have gone down, and we weren't placed much more attractively for most of the season either) but certainly going into those Derbys wasn't comfortable as Blues were a threat. Then he pushes the mighty Villa out of the way to achieve cup success against the odds with that same team. Now he's ready for the next rung in his career, a step up to bigger and more successful club. If he can instill some of that grit and tenacity into our team of much better players and a more balanced squad, then we're going to some fuckin team.

I've read on here many times that we don't want a manager who sees Villa as a step down, as a payday, as a last chance at glory, a return to the prem, or to bask in the reflected glory of their previous roles. Or even a manager who is foreign for the sake of it. McL is none of those.

It is not as if McLeish is a young and up and coming manager.  He has been in this game for 17 years, yes, 17 years.  He has a consistent theme that keeps on cropping up on his CV - failing to deliver and resorting to negative football.

He has had a fair degree of success if you look at his CV without being bias. I  am just focused on what his does at this football club.

I am not being biased.  I posted a summary of his record earlier.  Other than the cup this year, his only other notable successes have been in a two horse race where he won 2 titles in 5 seasons.  Usually in Scotland, whichever of the 2 clubs has money at the time will more than likely come out on top.

MON's only english success is 2 league cups, and he won those when man u, arse and liverpool used to play there 2nd or 3rd string, not defending AM just that MON only has 1 more scottish league and 1 english league cup. AM has 2 more scottish leagu cups than mon

rangers 2 leagues 2 scottish cups 3 scottish league cups,

mon at celtic 3 leagues 3 scottish cup 1 scottish league cup

[Iago]

Surely McLeish is like anybody else, in that he has to prove himself at a level before moving up to the next step.

For parts of last season he put out a team that were well organised and difficult to beat, (yes we all know what happened with the last kick of a match on a day when 2 of 5 teams could have gone down, and we weren't placed much more attractively for most of the season either) but certainly going into those Derbys wasn't comfortable as Blues were a threat. Then he pushes the mighty Villa out of the way to achieve cup success against the odds with that same team. Now he's ready for the next rung in his career, a step up to bigger and more successful club. If he can instill some of that grit and tenacity into our team of much better players and a more balanced squad, then we're going to some fuckin team.

I've read on here many times that we don't want a manager who sees Villa as a step down, as a payday, as a last chance at glory, a return to the prem, or to bask in the reflected glory of their previous roles. Or even a manager who is foreign for the sake of it. McL is none of those.

It is not as if McLeish is a young and up and coming manager.  He has been in this game for 17 years, yes, 17 years.  He has a consistent theme that keeps on cropping up on his CV - failing to deliver and resorting to negative football.

He has had a fair degree of success if you look at his CV without being bias. I  am just focused on what his does at this football club.

I am not being biased.  I posted a summary of his record earlier.  Other than the cup this year, his only other notable successes have been in a two horse race where he won 2 titles in 5 seasons.  Usually in Scotland, whichever of the 2 clubs has money at the time will more than likely come out on top.

MON's record is similar and he was worshiped like a God.

[Villanation]

Surely McLeish is like anybody else, in that he has to prove himself at a level before moving up to the next step.

For parts of last season he put out a team that were well organised and difficult to beat, (yes we all know what happened with the last kick of a match on a day when 2 of 5 teams could have gone down, and we weren't placed much more attractively for most of the season either) but certainly going into those Derbys wasn't comfortable as Blues were a threat. Then he pushes the mighty Villa out of the way to achieve cup success against the odds with that same team. Now he's ready for the next rung in his career, a step up to bigger and more successful club. If he can instill some of that grit and tenacity into our team of much better players and a more balanced squad, then we're going to some fuckin team.

I've read on here many times that we don't want a manager who sees Villa as a step down, as a payday, as a last chance at glory, a return to the prem, or to bask in the reflected glory of their previous roles. Or even a manager who is foreign for the sake of it. McL is none of those.

It is not as if McLeish is a young and up and coming manager.  He has been in this game for 17 years, yes, 17 years.  He has a consistent theme that keeps on cropping up on his CV - failing to deliver and resorting to negative football.

He has had a fair degree of success if you look at his CV without being bias. I  am just focused on what his does at this football club.

I am not being biased.  I posted a summary of his record earlier.  Other than the cup this year, his only other notable successes have been in a two horse race where he won 2 titles in 5 seasons.  Usually in Scotland, whichever of the 2 clubs has money at the time will more than likely come out on top.

As much as i see your point, as mentioned last night i simply don't see how you can bring his record in the SPL into it, good or bad, when he's shaping up against the likes of Inverness CT with an average gate of about 3,000, and then imagine the bloke is capable of facing the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man U, Man C and others, week in and week out, and before someone mentions a bit of a stint in the CL, if thats all you've got to focus on you can see why, you can also see why he's able to get a team promoted from the Chumpionship but just not enough weetabix in the morning to make them stay in the Premiership.

[Holy Trinity]

i know what you mean nation, my point was MON was and still is on the same level as AM but was over hyped by media and fans a like. we wont go down under AM but we wont maintain a serious challenge for honours unless we take a big gamble on 2 or 3 players and they all pay off at once,

[The Situation]

Surely McLeish is like anybody else, in that he has to prove himself at a level before moving up to the next step.

For parts of last season he put out a team that were well organised and difficult to beat, (yes we all know what happened with the last kick of a match on a day when 2 of 5 teams could have gone down, and we weren't placed much more attractively for most of the season either) but certainly going into those Derbys wasn't comfortable as Blues were a threat. Then he pushes the mighty Villa out of the way to achieve cup success against the odds with that same team. Now he's ready for the next rung in his career, a step up to bigger and more successful club. If he can instill some of that grit and tenacity into our team of much better players and a more balanced squad, then we're going to some fuckin team.

I've read on here many times that we don't want a manager who sees Villa as a step down, as a payday, as a last chance at glory, a return to the prem, or to bask in the reflected glory of their previous roles. Or even a manager who is foreign for the sake of it. McL is none of those.

It is not as if McLeish is a young and up and coming manager.  He has been in this game for 17 years, yes, 17 years.  He has a consistent theme that keeps on cropping up on his CV - failing to deliver and resorting to negative football.

He has had a fair degree of success if you look at his CV without being bias. I  am just focused on what his does at this football club.

I am not being biased.  I posted a summary of his record earlier.  Other than the cup this year, his only other notable successes have been in a two horse race where he won 2 titles in 5 seasons.  Usually in Scotland, whichever of the 2 clubs has money at the time will more than likely come out on top.

MON's record is similar and he was worshiped like a God.

That's because when O'Neil was with us, on paper, he did a good job. He wasn't as good as some made out, he had his faults but he got us competitive again competing with th big boys.

McLeish hasn't even been announced as the new manager and already 500+ Villa fans tonight look like they want to maim him.

[Redman]

Pointless appointment if you ask me. Doomed from the start.

To have any chance of winning over the support, McLeish is going to have to exceed all expectations but with his track-record and penchant for anti-football, it's extremely unlikely he's got it in him.

Just a repeat of Hodgson with you guys then ?

Exactly.

The two situations  are not comparable.

In as much as both clubs appointed a manager against the will of their support, I reckon they are.

Would you say Rafa was a popular figure or not? Because he was always going to be difficult to replace with Roy.

I truly believe AM can win the supporters over and bring us some much needed success with the right investment.

Rafa was popular but I don't think that worked against Roy much. He was the wrong man regardless of who he replaced and the day he arrived was the day the clock started ticking until he was gone.

In McLeish's case, there's been graffiti and protests already. I think he's a capable manager but is there any way back from that? I'm not sure there is and he hasn't even been appointed yet.

[brontebilly]

anyway this deal might still collapse? Some last minute hitch

If Lerner seeks to sell up Villa after (an awful start under McLeish, attendances falling massively, more players wanting to leave and once he realises his huge pig ignorant mistake) is the club facing a Pompey style meltdown?

I realise Lerner has converted some of the debt owed to him by AVFC as equity but am I mistaken in thinking he could technically do a Pompey and look for some of his loans back?

[The Left Side]

This is very depressing, I don't want to turn the news on tomorrow but I will still be supporting the Villa as usual. Flores would have been a gamble but he would have had 100% of the supporters behind him, McLeish will not.

[Eigentor]

Rafa was popular but I don't think that worked against Roy much. He was the wrong man regardless of who he replaced and the day he arrived was the day the clock started ticking until he was gone.

In McLeish's case, there's been graffiti and protests already. I think he's a capable manager but is there any way back from that? I'm not sure there is and he hasn't even been appointed yet.

Hodgson and McLeish are comparable. Every time Hodgson opened his mouth, his words were twisted and used as evidence that he was unfit for the job. You can see that happening to McLeish. Every word he utters will be jumped upon, not a single mistake will be forgiven. It'll be an uphill struggle.

[junxs]

MON's only english success is 2 league cups, and he won those when man u, arse and liverpool used to play there 2nd or 3rd string, not defending AM just that MON only has 1 more scottish league and 1 english league cup. AM has 2 more scottish leagu cups than mon

rangers 2 leagues 2 scottish cups 3 scottish league cups,

mon at celtic 3 leagues 3 scottish cup 1 scottish league cup

How many relegations has MON got compared to AM?

Theres only 2 trophies all clubs outside Man U and Chelsea are playing for, so perhaps you should be comparing league posistions rather than trophies won eh? Without checking i'd guess MON comes out on top... unless you want to look up the record books and try to prove me wrong?

[Eigentor]

This is very depressing, I don't want to turn the news on tomorrow but I will still be supporting the Villa as usual. Flores would have been a gamble but he would have had 100% of the supporters behind him, McLeish will not.

We tried five years of O'Neill and it didn't work (as well as we would hope). Ged wasn't a success, but at least he offered that hope that once he had sorted out the dressing room, got rid of the deadwood, he'd nurture our youngsters, bring in talent from abroad and have us challenging. There were even glimpses of decent football, maybe proof of how we would play in the future.

Why revert to the stone ages with a manager whose idea of playing football is to cloak it up at the back and pray that we'll score a goal somehow? It usually works for some time if the team manage some clean sheets and some 1-0 wins, but sooner or later things get sour as the players get tired of being stuck in their own half waiting for the next assault from the opposition, and the fans get tired of watching the dross.

[Eigentor]

MON's record is similar [to McLeish's] and he was worshiped like a God.

Even if McLeish is of similar quality to O'Neill (allthough that's questionable as McLeish's teams sometimes get relegated whereas O'Neill's don't), it's easier to do a decent job if the fans welcome you like the Messiah. O'Neill was. McLeish won't be.