Aston Villa v Wolverhampton Wanderers Post-Match Thread

[Oscar Arce]

Don't think randy is in the country, he is not going to sack him anyway, it would be an admission of failure.

[pauliewalnuts]

We'd have been better spending the money attracting a proper manager and then asking him to get the best out of players like Agbonlahor and Carew.

Yes. And even wankers like Dunne, Collins and Warnock.

Indeed.  So far this season Houllier has managed to completely piss and/or alienate players like Warnock, Beye, Carew, Ireland and Dunne.  They can't all be shit-stirring trouble makers surely?  I don't imagine the likes of Gabby and Petrov are his biggest fans either.

It's far too easy to point the finger entirely at the manager on those, though.

Dunne was a fat, unfit bastard in August. That wasn't Houllier's fault. Ireland is mental. Warnock was shite well before MON left.

There's plenty to blame him for, but that doesn't mean everything is his fault. It isn't quite as black and white as that, in my opinion.

[mr woo]

There are no excuses left for Houllier.  It was an awful appointment, yet he's managed to do even worse than anybody feared.  He's been abysmal, with no feel for the club and its supporters and absolutely no clue as to how to manage a modern Premier League club.  If we get relegated, which is looking more and more likely as each games passes, Lerner only has himself to blame.  Appointing a past it, washed up no mark as manager, then giving him £20m to spend on one player.  We'd have been better spending the money attracting a proper manager and then asking him to get the best out of players like Agbonlahor and Carew.

The season has been a farce from start to finish, and I'm afraid that the problems have for a large part have been caused by the owner.  I'm starting to see why Cleveland fans haven't got a good word to say about him.

Come on Risso that totally unfair mate, with hindsight its proven to be a bad appointment but remember how few options were open to us at the time?

[eastie]

Sad to say risso, but I agree with most of what you say, I had backed him and can see what he was trying to do but enough is enough now- a manager who cannot motivate is no good in a relegation fight, randy needs to act now for the sake of our future.

It is not all geds fault but we simply will not survive with him at the helm - blame the players as much as the manager but sadly the manager has to carry the can  ultimately.

[The Moose]

And how bad a decision was made.

[eric woolban woolban]

Just seen Villa are 13/2 to go down, that has to be worth a punt. Should be way shorter surely...

It was much better at 25/1 in November.

Foolier has to go now.

Randy, we're in last chance saloon. Fire the fool tonight. Two weeks until the next game.

Get it sorted, else it's Championshit football for us.

But not for me as I won't be coming back to see the Villa.

[spangley1812]

There are no excuses left for Houllier.  It was an awful appointment, yet he's managed to do even worse than anybody feared.  He's been abysmal, with no feel for the club and its supporters and absolutely no clue as to how to manage a modern Premier League club.  If we get relegated, which is looking more and more likely as each games passes, Lerner only has himself to blame.  Appointing a past it, washed up no mark as manager, then giving him £20m to spend on one player.  We'd have been better spending the money attracting a proper manager and then asking him to get the best out of players like Agbonlahor and Carew.

The season has been a farce from start to finish, and I'm afraid that the problems have for a large part have been caused by the owner.  I'm starting to see why Cleveland fans haven't got a good word to say about him.

Come on Risso that totally unfair mate, with hindsight its proven to be a bad appointment but remember how few options were open to us at the time?

Its not totally unfair...........RL let MON sign all these players on stupid wages, he fell out with MON so he left, RL sold Milner and brought in Ireland and then he waited 5/6 weeks before appointing a permanent manager

[mr woo]

There are no excuses left for Houllier.  It was an awful appointment, yet he's managed to do even worse than anybody feared.  He's been abysmal, with no feel for the club and its supporters and absolutely no clue as to how to manage a modern Premier League club.  If we get relegated, which is looking more and more likely as each games passes, Lerner only has himself to blame.  Appointing a past it, washed up no mark as manager, then giving him £20m to spend on one player.  We'd have been better spending the money attracting a proper manager and then asking him to get the best out of players like Agbonlahor and Carew.

The season has been a farce from start to finish, and I'm afraid that the problems have for a large part have been caused by the owner.  I'm starting to see why Cleveland fans haven't got a good word to say about him.

Come on Risso that totally unfair mate, with hindsight its proven to be a bad appointment but remember how few options were open to us at the time?

Its not totally unfair...........RL let MON sign all these players on stupid wages, he fell out with MON so he left, RL sold Milner and brought in Ireland and then he waited 5/6 weeks before appointing a permanent manager

Well if thats the full weight of your critisism, all I can argue is 'you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't'

[The Moose]

In Randy's defence, he can't have foreseen the public relations gaffes that Houllier has committed, thus alienating most of the fans. Enough's enough, though, and the frenchman should take the walk.

[Bent Neilsens Screamer]

Not long back, just a quick word..

SPINELESS TWATS.

Thank you.

[eastie]

If we do find ourselves relegated and in big debt will some people still be singing randys praises? I remember ridsdale was lauded when spending the cash to chase the dream at Leeds and we all know how that turned out - are we about to be the next Leeds?

[mikeb1982]

Houlliers main problem has been his attitude towards the fans, the liverpool farce and the fa cup humiliation.  Without those, he could be forgiven or trying to get the best from a bad situation, and the fans would have a bit more patience.  As it is he's repeatedly shown contempt for us

[The Moose]

Mr Woo, you can split hairs over what has gone on, but if you were there today, you surely can see that we are going one way only. Tactically naive, weak in the tackle, and basically not up for the fight.

[Percy McCarthy]

We'd have been better spending the money attracting a proper manager and then asking him to get the best out of players like Agbonlahor and Carew.

Yes. And even wankers like Dunne, Collins and Warnock.

Indeed.  So far this season Houllier has managed to completely piss and/or alienate players like Warnock, Beye, Carew, Ireland and Dunne.  They can't all be shit-stirring trouble makers surely?  I don't imagine the likes of Gabby and Petrov are his biggest fans either.

It's far too easy to point the finger entirely at the manager on those, though.

Dunne was a fat, unfit bastard in August. That wasn't Houllier's fault. Ireland is mental. Warnock was shite well before MON left.

There's plenty to blame him for, but that doesn't mean everything is his fault. It isn't quite as black and white as that, in my opinion.

I agree paulie. I think the players have been a disgrace. The trouble is this manager will not change that.

[Risso]

It's far too easy to point the finger entirely at the manager on those, though.

Dunne was a fat, unfit bastard in August. That wasn't Houllier's fault. Ireland is mental. Warnock was shite well before MON left.

There's plenty to blame him for, but that doesn't mean everything is his fault. It isn't quite as black and white as that, in my opinion.

Dunne's been fat and unfit all season.  Warnock was shite agreed, but decent managers work with out of form players to try and bring them round.  They don't just slag them off in the press, and cut all ties with them.  I can accept that one or two players are bad apples, but Houllier has fallen out with too many for it to be a coincidence.