Villa players in drunken bust up

[Clark W Griswold]

Dunne and Collins should be sold in the summer obviously. It's not as if they are all that good anyway really. But what of this French fitness coach. I'm not defending the behaviour of the players here, but his presence managed to derail the French world cup effort and now it's derailed our season. There's obviously something about him that pisses a lot of people off, so that particular situation surely needs looking at.

[VillaZogmariner]

Probably the fact that he is a fitness coach - therefore he makes them all run and stuff.

[Clark W Griswold]

Probably the fact that he is a fitness coach - therefore he makes them all run and stuff.

Well, i wouldn't get on with him for that reason alone, but i can't see professional players being the same as me. I think there is somethink else about him, the uproar he's managed to cause in 2 seperate camps within 12 months is a bit odd even by modern ass hole professional footballer standards.

[Bad English]

But what of this French fitness coach....but his presence managed to derail the French world cup effort and now it's derailed our season.

Don't mean to be rude or anything, but: utter bollocks! FAIL!

Duverne, fitness coach for the French national team had a go at the Evra, captain of those useless tossers known as Les Bleus because they were refusing to train*, live on TV at the World Cup. He then walked off the field, throwing his stopwatch (or accreditation badge, don't know which) disgusted with what was happening.

It's like blaming, say, Sid for fucking up the bonding session at Champney's. Preposterous.

* they were "on strike" because "L'équipe" newspaper published an article saying Anelka insulted Domenech in the dressing room and the French FA then sent him home. Duverne did not upset the French players.

[brontebilly]

Is it true Cowans was on the piss with them?

[eastie]

Is it true Cowans was on the piss with them?

Not with them i dont think ,but i read cowans was worse for wear and they were arguing with him and apparently very angry that the club took no action against cowans - there are so many different stories in the papers though that who knows what to believe.

[brontebilly]

version (could be complete bollix) I heard was that Dunne and Collins were on the piss with Cowans. Cowans by all accounts isnt too gone on Houllier, McAllister and Duverne. They all got pissed and then the finger pointing started. Dunne and Collins are seething as they think Cowans is only getting off cos he is a Villa legend but is every bit to blame. Two clowns getting pissed when recovering from injury and they wonder why their form has slipped this season.

[martin]

One minute its paintballing and spa massages together, and the next is drunken bust up. Its the last thing we need right now.

People always reckon paintballing together will bind colleagues together in pursuit of a common aim.

In reality it does the total opposite. How can you ever trust a man who stalks you in a forest with the intention of shooting you ever again?

[Bad English]

I'd love to go paintballing with my colleagues. I'd rip the masks off most of them and shoot the fuckers in the eyes from 10cm.

[Clark W Griswold]

But what of this French fitness coach....but his presence managed to derail the French world cup effort and now it's derailed our season.

Don't mean to be rude or anything, but: utter bollocks! FAIL!

Duverne, fitness coach for the French national team had a go at the Evra, captain of those useless tossers known as Les Bleus because they were refusing to train*, live on TV at the World Cup. He then walked off the field, throwing his stopwatch (or accreditation badge, don't know which) disgusted with what was happening.

It's like blaming, say, Sid for fucking up the bonding session at Champney's. Preposterous.

* they were "on strike" because "L'équipe" newspaper published an article saying Anelka insulted Domenech in the dressing room and the French FA then sent him home. Duverne did not upset the French players.

How the fuck do you know?

[PaulWinch again]

But what of this French fitness coach....but his presence managed to derail the French world cup effort and now it's derailed our season.

Don't mean to be rude or anything, but: utter bollocks! FAIL!

Duverne, fitness coach for the French national team had a go at the Evra, captain of those useless tossers known as Les Bleus because they were refusing to train*, live on TV at the World Cup. He then walked off the field, throwing his stopwatch (or accreditation badge, don't know which) disgusted with what was happening.

It's like blaming, say, Sid for fucking up the bonding session at Champney's. Preposterous.

* they were "on strike" because "L'équipe" newspaper published an article saying Anelka insulted Domenech in the dressing room and the French FA then sent him home. Duverne did not upset the French players.

How the fuck do you know?

I think it's come to light since that is what happened.

[Clark W Griswold]

Oh OK. It must have been completely the players fault in the French camp, and completely the players fault at the Villa. There is nothing wrong with either management regime whatsoever. This is the same Patrice Evra who has played consistantly for Man Utd and Alex Ferguson (who suffers no fools), the same Nicolas Anelka who despite problems early in his career played a big part in a Chelsea double winning side a month before the world cup. Plus a squad full of other successful club players. And the same Richard Dunne that was excellent last season, and a divided squad full of players who, apart from a few moaning about playing, were largely united last season and got to wembley twice and 6th in the league. Like i said, the players in both situations to do what they did were wrong and deserved what they got, and possibly more. However, common sense would tell you that neither camp were being handled / managed properly for the situations to arise in the first place. Maybe i'm misinformed to single Duverne out, but he's the common denominator in both camps. I'm sure there's more to it than that, but since i know about as much as you do about what goes on behind the scenes, i'll fell free to draw my own conclusions.

[RogerS]

But what of this French fitness coach....but his presence managed to derail the French world cup effort and now it's derailed our season.

Don't mean to be rude or anything, but: utter bollocks! FAIL!

Duverne, fitness coach for the French national team had a go at the Evra, captain of those useless tossers known as Les Bleus because they were refusing to train*, live on TV at the World Cup. He then walked off the field, throwing his stopwatch (or accreditation badge, don't know which) disgusted with what was happening.

It's like blaming, say, Sid for fucking up the bonding session at Champney's. Preposterous.

* they were "on strike" because "L'équipe" newspaper published an article saying Anelka insulted Domenech in the dressing room and the French FA then sent him home. Duverne did not upset the French players.

How the fuck do you know?

With respect, may I suggest you tread very carefully here? Bad English's knowledge of France/and all things French  is - to say the very least - extensive.

[Bad English]

Well, mate, for a start, I have lived in France for 25 years and this story was blanket news 24/7 all fucking summer. The fucking manager read out the players' statement live on TV explaining why they were striking. The French press, the telly, the internet, everywhere banged on about it for months. They even sent the Minister of Sport (a Hattie Jacques lookalike with a degree from the Margaret Thatcher School of Condescension) to bollock the team at their hotel.

Oh, and to help you draw your own conclusions, there was a suspicion that Duverne may have been the mole in the camp   leaking news and that may have been one of the reasons Evra and he had a   barney. However, Patrice Evra gave an interview [Here it is, in French, which I speak fluently and is how I know about this] just after the "clash" in which he formally stated that [He] "vigorously den[ies] reports in the media that we were refusing to train because we though that the so-called 'traitor' in the camp was Robert Duverne. This is completely untrue. Robert has always had our complete confidence, both on the field in our preparation and training, and off the field in the day to day life of the squad"

Duverne vs Evra was just a symbol. Duverne couldn't believe that the French national squad were refusing to train just before a vital World Cup game. He went ape at the captain. He did his job.

You speak of a common denominator. Well, you are looking in the wrong place. There is one though. His name is Houllier, the man who was instrumental in keeping mad dog Domenech in a job after the abject French failure at Euro 2008 and thus planting the seeds of the South Africa fiasco. Houllier, the current manager of Aston "Oh fuck! Don't look down" Villa.

[pauliewalnuts]

Oh OK. It must have been completely the players fault in the French camp, and completely the players fault at the Villa. There is nothing wrong with either management regime whatsoever. This is the same Patrice Evra who has played consistantly for Man Utd and Alex Ferguson (who suffers no fools), the same Nicolas Anelka who despite problems early in his career played a big part in a Chelsea double winning side a month before the world cup. Plus a squad full of other successful club players. And the same Richard Dunne that was excellent last season, and a divided squad full of players who, apart from a few moaning about playing, were largely united last season and got to wembley twice and 6th in the league. Like i said, the players in both situations to do what they did were wrong and deserved what they got, and possibly more. However, common sense would tell you that neither camp were being handled / managed properly for the situations to arise in the first place. Maybe i'm misinformed to single Duverne out, but he's the common denominator in both camps. I'm sure there's more to it than that, but since i know about as much as you do about what goes on behind the scenes, i'll fell free to draw my own conclusions.

You can draw your own conclusions, but BE's description of events is exactly what happened at the World Cup.

Any conclusions you draw about him having "derailed the French World Cup" are factually incorrect.

As for suggesting Anelka isn't a trouble magnet ....