Curtis Davies

[Lee]

There's a potential international in there somewhere. Unfortunately his pub player comment will always come back to haunt him.

He only ever looked like an International with Laursen at his side. Otherwise, he had to have the likes of Zat Knight hold him together.

[boboonthecorner]

With all due respect what the fuck do you know from Toronto Canada ? I have seen some shite over the last 45 years but i have'nt seen chairmen pick teams to save money and here in Birmingham, England i am really hurting right now so if it's correct as some are implying that Lerner has told the manager not to pick Curtis Davies, clearly a better player for today's situation that Clark, it's a disgrace.

You're a disgrace.

I agree with you Oscar, don't listen to them. Davies has been stuck on 49 games for far too long now. Something is clearly not quite right.

He started a game on Thursday, so I don't see how he's been stuck on 49 games for very long.

Am I missing something (genuine question)?

Yes you are, he has been stuck on 49 league games for some time now.

[boboonthecorner]

I don't think Davies is actually that bad. Although if you are all right and I just can't see a footballer for looking, then thats yet another fuck up by our ex manager. Add another £8m to the pile........

[Toronto Villa]

With all due respect what the fuck do you know from Toronto Canada ? I have seen some shite over the last 45 years but i have'nt seen chairmen pick teams to save money and here in Birmingham, England i am really hurting right now so if it's correct as some are implying that Lerner has told the manager not to pick Curtis Davies, clearly a better player for today's situation that Clark, it's a disgrace.

Oh right. This is the bit where you tell me you're a better fan because I don't live in the UK. That I can't possibly know what the fuck I'm talking about because I'm just some Johnny foreigner living miles away. That only those like you who go to the games or live in Birmingham can make valid points.

I'm not going to waste energy correcting you, but I think you'll find you are very much wide of the mark on a number of assumptions you have made about me and others who no longer live at home. Plus, in the 21st century I see everything you see via TV/Internet etc. The only exception being I cannot physically go to games, but I really haven't missed many in a few years. And I stand by my point that you've lost your marbles if you really want Randy Lerner out because we lost to Newcastle. Because I don't recall you posting anything similar after we'd beaten West Ham last week. In fact I dare say you were one of the 36,000 singing "One Randy Lerner" at Villa Park. Go on, admit it, because I was all the way from Toronto, Canada.

Pack it in, both of you.

Hold on a minute Dave. There was no need for him to go to the better fan card or "you don't know what you're talking about because you don't live here" line. And you know very well that he did. Say or do what you want, but I'm going to take exception to that every time.

What the hell are you talking about you muppet ?
I was talking about the inference that Curtis Davies was'nt playing because somebody on this thread suggested he was on 49 games and we were due to pay Albion money on his 50th appearance.
If Randy Lerner has decided that it's a disgrace...in my opinion.
If Doug Ellis told managers who to pick in the team we'd rightly be calling for his head.
If that's the case and we are'nt playing him for that reason it's a disgrace and I stand by that.
I did'nt say I wanted Randy Lerner out because we lost to Newcastle, you know that.
You said I'd lost my marbles and I was a disgrace but I have my opinion.
I'm so sick of football at the moment it's all about money and I've supported the Villa for over 45 years, I know that matters for nothing these days as you rightly say you can watch all the games on Sky and the internet, but I have to sit and watch it without the option of the off button.
I did'nt say that made me a better Villa fan than you.

So, you've turned to personal insults by calling me a muppet. Very good. Nice to see that your 45 years, which you've thrown out again like it was some sort of cock measurement hasn't garnered you maturity in a debate.

And where did I call you a disgrace, or are you just making stuff up now? I suggested you'd lost your marbles for being the "first to say" that you wanted Lerner out. In my opinion that's utter madness for any reason, especially over an average footballer like Curtis Davies. Yes, you are entitled to your opinion over anything, but so am I which I stated in a tongue in cheek way. Something you responded to very strongly and pulled the "you don't know what you're talking about because you live in Canada" line. Which quite frankly is complete nonsense. I've been watching Villa for a long time also, and I don't turn the TV off or go mental when they lose, because if I did I'd have been locked up a long time ago.

[dave.woodhall]

Oscar's being rested, and I'm sure you wouldn't like to go the same way.

[peter w]

Amongst all of this fun its easily forgotten that Davies was crap first half against Rapid but did have a good second half. We beat West Ham 3-0 last week and Clark took the plaudits so why would he have been dropped? Fair enough dAVIES IS ON 49 GAMES AND THERE MAY BE SOMETHING IN THE CONTRACT THING i DON'T KNOW, BUT WHICH GAME SINCE HE HIT 49 -balls - have we been scratching our heads at kick-off wondering why he wasn't in the team?

[Toronto Villa]

Oscar's being rested, and I'm sure you wouldn't like to go the same way.

Dave that's fine and I'll drop it after this. But of all the people on this board, I've seen you come out strongly against the "better fan", "loyal fan" bollocks before and you didn't on this issue. Which is very disappointing. This board has lots of loyal fans living away from home that have just as valid opinions as those that go to games every week. We can all have different views on Villa, but debates that go that way are completely devalued. Our opinions count, something that should be defended.

[peter w]

Oscar's being rested, and I'm sure you wouldn't like to go the same way.

Dave that's fine and I'll drop it after this. But of all the people on this board, I've seen you come out strongly against the "better fan", "loyal fan" bollocks before and you didn't on this issue. Which is very disappointing. This board has lots of loyal fans living away from home that have just as valid opinions as those that go to games every week. We can all have different views on Villa, but debates that go that way are completely devalued. Our opinions count, something that should be defended.

Not trying to get into this one but surely his argument was that your view is tainted by the fact that you aren't here right in the midst of it. It does make a difference however you may want it to be otherwise. Not in terms of you supporting villa and hurting like the rest of us, but when you live in Birmingham and its environs then the pain of a defeat is a lot harder to get away from due to the local press, friends, family, work colleagues etc overseas you can just switch off from the outside world and wait for the next game. it does calm you down and makes defeats slightly easier to deal with. Slightly. But if his opinion is that your viewpoint will have been becalmed due to distance then i do think its a valid point. Being a better or worse Villa fan because of it, isn't.

[Toronto Villa]

Oscar's being rested, and I'm sure you wouldn't like to go the same way.

Dave that's fine and I'll drop it after this. But of all the people on this board, I've seen you come out strongly against the "better fan", "loyal fan" bollocks before and you didn't on this issue. Which is very disappointing. This board has lots of loyal fans living away from home that have just as valid opinions as those that go to games every week. We can all have different views on Villa, but debates that go that way are completely devalued. Our opinions count, something that should be defended.

Not trying to get into this one but surely his argument was that your view is tainted by the fact that you aren't here right in the midst of it. It does make a difference however you may want it to be otherwise. Not in terms of you supporting villa and hurting like the rest of us, but when you live in Birmingham and its environs then the pain of a defeat is a lot harder to get away from due to the local press, friends, family, work colleagues etc overseas you can just switch off from the outside world and wait for the next game. it does calm you down and makes defeats slightly easier to deal with. Slightly. But if his opinion is that your viewpoint will have been becalmed due to distance then i do think its a valid point. Being a better or worse Villa fan because of it, isn't.

Peter we lost a game to Newcastle, not to Blues or Albion and he's calling for Lerner's head over Curtis Davies. Something that we don't even know if it is fact or not. Ok, so living in Birmingham you'll get some grief for a few days. I understand as I lived there, went to school and worked there. But we're by far the biggest team in the area, and if you're going to want the owner out after a defeat, or even if it has to do with one player (a reserve player at that) then have to take a look at things and ask if you're getting carried away a bit. What if someone had said to you that you don't know what you're talking about because you live in Pakistan? How would you have felt?

[peter w]

Oscar's being rested, and I'm sure you wouldn't like to go the same way.

Dave that's fine and I'll drop it after this. But of all the people on this board, I've seen you come out strongly against the "better fan", "loyal fan" bollocks before and you didn't on this issue. Which is very disappointing. This board has lots of loyal fans living away from home that have just as valid opinions as those that go to games every week. We can all have different views on Villa, but debates that go that way are completely devalued. Our opinions count, something that should be defended.

Not trying to get into this one but surely his argument was that your view is tainted by the fact that you aren't here right in the midst of it. It does make a difference however you may want it to be otherwise. Not in terms of you supporting villa and hurting like the rest of us, but when you live in Birmingham and its environs then the pain of a defeat is a lot harder to get away from due to the local press, friends, family, work colleagues etc overseas you can just switch off from the outside world and wait for the next game. it does calm you down and makes defeats slightly easier to deal with. Slightly. But if his opinion is that your viewpoint will have been becalmed due to distance then i do think its a valid point. Being a better or worse Villa fan because of it, isn't.

Peter we lost a game to Newcastle, not to Blues or Albion and he's calling for Lerner's head over Curtis Davies. Something that we don't even know if it is fact or not. Ok, so living in Birmingham you'll get some grief for a few days. I understand as I lived there, went to school and worked there. But we're by far the biggest team in the area, and if you're going to want the owner out after a defeat, or even if it has to do with one player (a reserve player at that) then have to take a look at things and ask if you're getting carried away a bit. What if someone had said to you that you don't know what you're talking about because you live in Pakistan? How would you have felt?

They did. Quite often. Still do as a matter of fact. Its one thingto question someone's support - whatever the issue - but living overseas you know that the hurt is less to a degree than when you're surrounded by all and sundry in the UK who will be on the wind-up. You aren't able to forget about it. In saying that i found that I was more nervous watching games because I was so far away and my link to the team was just 90 minutes - as well as the internet (as in here) with that in mind the pain of defeat lingered longer as they was no avenue to relieve the pain. being here is more akin to a counselling session for the overseas fans so perhaps you're right tv.

[SoccerHQ]

Tbf I rate Carlos and Collins as better centre halfs than him so would you really play him again to give him a 20K pay rise and new 4 year deal when he's most likely to be 4th choice when everyone's fit?

I don't think he'll be here after deadline day.

[villasjf]

This is a disgrace if Lerner has not played Davies because of some clause that would cost him money then may I be the first to say Lerner out !! And Lerner is apparently picking the team is also the consequence of this by the way.
I know today has been bad but this takes the biscuit. Davies is a better player than Clark at the moment for us and the team, that should be the only question.

I like Davies and think he may well go on to play for England if his shoulder problems are over but when they are all fit we have too many centre halves but if he plays one more premier league match ang gets a pay rise and the new manager doesnt rate him he will be harder to shift on higher wages ala Luke Young not wanting to join Liverpool and take a pay cut.

[The Situation]

How is Davies shit? What makes him 'shit'? He is our most athletic defender with the best pyshical attributes. I think we've got a good bunch of central defenders who we can rely on equally.

When a player admits he's little better than a pub player when he's having a bad day, what other evidence do you need exactly?

I could handle it if he was, for 3 out of 4 games, an 8/10 player and then maybe a 6/10 for the 4th game.
But he's not. He's a 6/10 on a good day and a 3/10 on a bad day.

Sorry, but I'll take Clark every day of the week and twice on a Sunday over Davies. As Dave says, there's a top player in there somewhere but I don't think even Davies himself knows how to bring it out.

Clark didn't look brilliant against Newcastle due to:
(a) Dunne having a nightmare
(b) the full-backs having a nightmare
(c) the midfield being a open door
(d) Newcastle's forward line having one of those days when everything goes right.

A young lad with lots of promise but little first team experience can't be blamed for this and certainly shouldn't be dropped in favour of a bloke who may or may not perform as bad as a Sunday League clogger.

You're little opinion is invalid. If you seriously think a young lad who has only litterally come through the reserves and has played 2 or 3 league games is more worthy of a spot in the team in an away match against a team who are going to be very physical where it's going to be test he's not had before, rather than someone who has experience playing at the highest level for a lot longer period and has already proven himself in those type of games... well, congrats next time you want to be taken seriously expressing your tactical genius.

Some people really have got short memories when it comes to criticizing Davies... and as for the 'pub player' comment, fair do's that he came out and admitted how bad he was... most pro's don't give a shit anymore.

[pauliewalnuts]

You're little opinion is invalid. If you seriously think a young lad who has only litterally come through the reserves and has played 2 or 3 league games is more worthy of a spot in the team in an away match against a team who are going to be very physical where it's going to be test he's not had before, rather than someone who has experience playing at the highest level for a lot longer period and has already proven himself in those type of games... well, congrats next time you want to be taken seriously expressing your tactical genius.

Can you find a slightly less aggressive, confrontation way to disagree, please?

[The Situation]

You're little opinion is invalid. If you seriously think a young lad who has only litterally come through the reserves and has played 2 or 3 league games is more worthy of a spot in the team in an away match against a team who are going to be very physical where it's going to be test he's not had before, rather than someone who has experience playing at the highest level for a lot longer period and has already proven himself in those type of games... well, congrats next time you want to be taken seriously expressing your tactical genius.

Can you find a slightly less aggressive, confrontation way to disagree, please?

I'm just pointing out it's dumb to think that someone so inexperienced like Clark who has only played 2 or 3 games for Villa's first team should play rather than someone who is experienced at this level and is proven with some stand out performances in the past who would have coped better in a game like yesterday. Besides, that poster was rather insulting to me on Saturday as well to another poster who was being fair but then being called 'dickhead' 'swamp donkey' etc... I've got no aggressive issues and I think trying to personally insult someone over the internet pathetic.