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Offline Matt Collins

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Re: Andreas Weimann
« Reply #1170 on: October 11, 2013, 10:19:21 PM »
Weimann's best position is clearly behind the striker, lambert has said as such.

But that means a two man midfield and we don't look convincing playing that away too often, for me. We've not done so once this season.

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Re: Andreas Weimann
« Reply #1171 on: October 11, 2013, 11:52:28 PM »
Weimann's best position is clearly behind the striker, lambert has said as such.

But that means a two man midfield and we don't look convincing playing that away too often, for me. We've not done so once this season.
I think at home it might have to be tried.

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Re: Andreas Weimann
« Reply #1172 on: October 12, 2013, 12:02:17 PM »
Yes I agree. I think bacuna on the right, playing a bit more tucked in perhaps

But still leaves us lacking creativity in Central areas. But then unless helenius can play that number ten role or Gardner comes through pretty stunningly, I think the only option is Tonev. And let's say he needs to adapt!

Offline Dante Lavelli

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Re: Andreas Weimann
« Reply #1173 on: October 12, 2013, 12:32:08 PM »
Weimann's best position is clearly behind the striker, lambert has said as such.

But that means a two man midfield and we don't look convincing playing that away too often, for me. We've not done so once this season.

It does suggest a 4231 should at least be tried with Weimann in the centre.  His rightly heralded energy should compliment the two deeper midfielders too.  Maybe with Bacuna or Albrighton on the right.  With Bacuna it'd be a team positively buzzing with energy but still missing a bit of guile (which is problem we face regardless of formation or selection).

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Re: Andreas Weimann
« Reply #1174 on: October 12, 2013, 04:59:40 PM »
Weimann's best position is clearly behind the striker, lambert has said as such.

But that means a two man midfield and we don't look convincing playing that away too often, for me. We've not done so once this season.

I think his best position is playing as a poacher. I've always thought he is a more glorified version of Bent. I would've liked to have see Weimann in Houllier's 4-2-3-1.

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Re: Andreas Weimann
« Reply #1175 on: October 12, 2013, 10:26:13 PM »
Well for Spurs we could play Sylla as the wide one of the midfield three like he was against City, Gabby on the left (although I'm not convinced he should always start every single home game we play) and Weimann in the hole behind Benny, it's worth a try I think.

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Re: Andreas Weimann
« Reply #1176 on: October 13, 2013, 08:04:36 AM »
Well for Spurs we could play Sylla as the wide one of the midfield three like he was against City, Gabby on the left (although I'm not convinced he should always start every single home game we play) and Weimann in the hole behind Benny, it's worth a try I think.

Not sure I follow. 4321 but with gabby on the left of the two and nobody on the right?

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Re: Andreas Weimann
« Reply #1177 on: October 13, 2013, 11:56:53 AM »
Well for Spurs we could play Sylla as the wide one of the midfield three like he was against City, Gabby on the left (although I'm not convinced he should always start every single home game we play) and Weimann in the hole behind Benny, it's worth a try I think.

Not sure I follow. 4321 but with gabby on the left of the two and nobody on the right?

Possibly a 4-4-2 how we played for a while under O Neill. When we had no right sided mid. Normally Coker would play a tucked in RCM role, while Ash provided almost all the width.

Sylla playing that narrow right sided role could work I guess. But I'm not sure I'd re-arrange the team that much just to fit Weimann in. He's not indispensable just yet.

Offline edgysatsuma89

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Re: Andreas Weimann
« Reply #1178 on: October 13, 2013, 12:20:16 PM »
Personally, at home, I'd like to play this:

                   Guzan

Bacuna.   Vlaar.   Clark.   Luna

                Sylla. 
                          Delph. 

Weimann.    Helenius.      Gabby.

                    Beast.

I've always been a fan of this formation, but the 3 behind the beast interchanging (and occasionally himself as he likes pulling wide at times). You need intelligent enough players mind, so maybe not, but defenders really struggle to pick players up if you pull it off. Only a suggestion for teams we need to break down at home but understand they 'may' not be capable. I think Liverpool look at there best with Gerrard and Lucas behind an interchangeable front 4. They have Coutinho though. And Suarez. And Sturridge.


                         
             

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Re: Andreas Weimann
« Reply #1179 on: October 13, 2013, 10:27:22 PM »
I prefer Westwood but fear the back 4 would be as exposed akin to last season ifwe had that. But, in saying that, Delph's progression has also seen him do the defensive work a lot better.

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Re: Andreas Weimann
« Reply #1180 on: October 13, 2013, 10:55:41 PM »
I watched a Dortmund game a few weeks ago where they ended up winning 6-2 and with their players, their 4-2-3-1 formation was great to watch. I think a lot of time our midfield would get overloaded though and we don't have the movement that someone like Dortmund has. It's certainly something to aim for though.

Offline edgysatsuma89

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Re: Andreas Weimann
« Reply #1181 on: October 14, 2013, 10:03:36 AM »
I watched a Dortmund game a few weeks ago where they ended up winning 6-2 and with their players, their 4-2-3-1 formation was great to watch. I think a lot of time our midfield would get overloaded though and we don't have the movement that someone like Dortmund has. It's certainly something to aim for though.

Yeah I completely agree, I don't think we could pull it off yet but 'something to aim for' is exactly what I think.

Offline edgysatsuma89

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Re: Andreas Weimann
« Reply #1182 on: October 14, 2013, 10:09:30 AM »
I prefer Westwood but fear the back 4 would be as exposed akin to last season ifwe had that. But, in saying that, Delph's progression has also seen him do the defensive work a lot better.

Do you think Westwood could play the AM role? I'm curious, I know a lot of the criticism is that his balls are generally not 'cutting edge' and are all a bit Joe Allen, but that could be the oppo for him to actually create chances. Don't know, just want us creating more at bastard home!

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Re: Andreas Weimann
« Reply #1183 on: October 14, 2013, 10:48:03 AM »
I prefer Westwood but fear the back 4 would be as exposed akin to last season ifwe had that. But, in saying that, Delph's progression has also seen him do the defensive work a lot better.

Do you think Westwood could play the AM role? I'm curious, I know a lot of the criticism is that his balls are generally not 'cutting edge' and are all a bit Joe Allen, but that could be the oppo for him to actually create chances. Don't know, just want us creating more at bastard home!

I doubt it, westwood (and kea for that matter) is a tempo setter, his game isn't about cutting people apart, it's about getting the ball to other people, in the right areas, so they can cut people apart.  Where he's struggled this season it's largely be cause him and kea are trying to do the same things, but KEA is a touch more mobile so gets bypassed too often.  I don't really get why we've tried to play both, either or with 2 from Delph, Sylla, Bacuna (and potentially Johnson and Gardner).

4231 should be an option in the premier league rather than the go to tactic, too many sides have big powerful midfields that you need to compete against to earn the right to play.

Offline edgysatsuma89

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Re: Andreas Weimann
« Reply #1184 on: October 14, 2013, 03:06:33 PM »
I prefer Westwood but fear the back 4 would be as exposed akin to last season ifwe had that. But, in saying that, Delph's progression has also seen him do the defensive work a lot better.

Do you think Westwood could play the AM role? I'm curious, I know a lot of the criticism is that his balls are generally not 'cutting edge' and are all a bit Joe Allen, but that could be the oppo for him to actually create chances. Don't know, just want us creating more at bastard home!

I doubt it, westwood (and kea for that matter) is a tempo setter, his game isn't about cutting people apart, it's about getting the ball to other people, in the right areas, so they can cut people apart.  Where he's struggled this season it's largely be cause him and kea are trying to do the same things, but KEA is a touch more mobile so gets bypassed too often.  I don't really get why we've tried to play both, either or with 2 from Delph, Sylla, Bacuna (and potentially Johnson and Gardner).

4231 should be an option in the premier league rather than the go to tactic, too many sides have big powerful midfields that you need to compete against to earn the right to play.

Playing both KEA and Westwood always baffles me. I'm a fan of Lambert on the whole, and although it's easy to say from the stands, but it seems so blindingly obvious that it doesn't work.

Pretty much all managers have (imo) blind spots though. How does cleverly play at international level? Or at United?

 


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