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Offline Damo70

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Re: The replacement for MON...?
« Reply #3600 on: September 04, 2010, 01:22:28 PM »
I would pull out all the stops to get Jol, two top five finishes with Spurs and they werent pulling up any trees before he took over. Rijkaard did well with Holland and Barcelona. Anyone wondering about the fact Alex Mcleish hasnt signed his contract yet? I think with his track record if he had finished in the top ten with any other promoted team last season we would be mentioning him more.

Offline pmk1981

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Re: The replacement for MON...?
« Reply #3601 on: September 04, 2010, 01:25:49 PM »
What's this  crap I hear about Staunton??

Offline Moorski

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Re: The replacement for MON...?
« Reply #3602 on: September 04, 2010, 01:51:40 PM »
Mc Leish is a good Manager, he would be in the frame if he was not at Small Heath, did well at Rangers, I wonder if he has been considered?

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Re: The replacement for MON...?
« Reply #3603 on: September 04, 2010, 02:03:34 PM »
Mc Leish is a good Manager, he would be in the frame if he was not at Small Heath, did well at Rangers, I wonder if he has been considered?
Forget Villa-Small Heath, imagine the last big Celtic manager being replaced by the last but one Rangers manager!

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Re: The replacement for MON...?
« Reply #3604 on: September 04, 2010, 02:06:10 PM »
So far we have had Bradley, Fat druggy cheating Argie, Moyes, McDonald, Curbishley and now Houllier all looking pretty certain they are the next manager (OK, the Argie was a bit of  larf). Monday it will be someone else....whoever the board are interviewing.

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Re: The replacement for MON...?
« Reply #3605 on: September 04, 2010, 02:08:30 PM »
What's this  crap I hear about Staunton??

 He's gonna be assistant to MacDonald,who will work under Houllier,I think Stauntons assistant will be Phil King! I think this is from The Mirror though,so its probably pure bshit.

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Re: The replacement for MON...?
« Reply #3606 on: September 04, 2010, 02:20:20 PM »
Mc Leish is a good Manager, he would be in the frame if he was not at Small Heath, did well at Rangers, I wonder if he has been considered?
Forget Villa-Small Heath, imagine the last big Celtic manager being replaced by the last but one Rangers manager!

Yep, that's much more important to everybody on H&V.

Offline Moorski

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Re: The replacement for MON...?
« Reply #3607 on: September 04, 2010, 02:20:54 PM »
Forget Villa-Small Heath, imagine the last big Celtic manager being replaced by the last but one Rangers manager!

Villa-Blues does not even compare to Celtic -Rangers we are talking very different circumstances beyond football there.

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Re: The replacement for MON...?
« Reply #3608 on: September 04, 2010, 03:08:04 PM »
I'd be massively disappointed with Houllier. I don't understand the excitment about him - may be because he's foreign... All I remember from his time in England is dross football, shit transfers and constant moaning. It'd be just like getting O'Leary back. And I haven't seen any evidence that he has some miraculous keys to the European academies where he'd pinch the world beaters of the future for Villa. All is just a hipe I think...
The only good thing about him was his last game for France!
17 years and still laughing...


So based on this I'm guessing if Capello came available you wouldn't have him? Nor would you have Laurent Blanc who majestically oversaw a defeat at home to Belarus tonight. And that quite possibly is the most dramatic statement ever made comparing us getting Houllier to a return by that most prize of wankers O'Leary. You'll be likening Florence Nightingale and Pol Pot next.
I don't see the logic why "based on this" I wouldn't like Capello. Indeed I'd have Capello as one of my top 3 picks of all current managers - available or not - as I am well impressed by his work rate, methods and success at club level (I tend to ignore the ongoings of England national side, as I believe problems there lie far beyond the manager's position).
Anyway, all I said was that with Houllier I won't be impressed or inspired - I do not remember any top brand football, neither exciting signings (if you don't count the excitement of trying to pronounce their names) during his spell in English football. He's too old to bring in anything modern into Villa. He's too much of a moaner for me. And I personally believe the fact most people see him as someone that has some hidden miraculous ability to attract top young talents, will turn up to be a major disappointment.  I could be wrong, but I do not believe the fact he works for some average French youth set up makes him more qualified to attract good players than any other manager in the business (MON naturally excluded ;) ).
Ah, and my point about O'Leary was simply that the day we appointed him I started waiting for the day we'd fire him as I had more or less the same feelings about him (overrated moaner with no chance for success) - hence the comparison.
Regarding the video bit it was just a dig at the French and a romantic memory of what kind of players Bulgaria once had compared to the bunch of shitheads that let in 4 by pedestrian England...

You say you ignore the national side when referring to Capello, yet posted a clip from Houllier's time as manager of France. I also certainly wouldn't bring international football into it because we'd be crucifying a lot of top club managers. Are you including everything he has done in football management or basing your entire knowledge of him on what he did at Liverpool 6 or 7 years ago? I actually think a lot of people are doing that which is a tad unfair. As for transfers, a lot of managers have made bad signings, or at least those that were better at the time than they worked out to be. While at Lyon he purchased (and sold) Carew Fred, Tiago, Toulalan, Kim Kallstrom, Squillaci (just joined Arsenal) so not all bad. Yes, as with any manager there some not so good players there too.

Look, I'm not waving the Houllier flag from the top of a building. Far from it, I would have preferred to see someone younger and better if they were available. I just don't think they are because of when this all blew up on us. What I am saying is that I simply cannot have a hard stance against a manager that has lot of experience in the game, has won trophies in England and on the continent, has won a European trophy, has worked with some top players here and in Europe and is a Technical Director in France that has overseen the development of some of best young players in Europe. If he helps shape Aston Villa for the next 5 years then we must look at him seriously. I would hope that this isn't a short term, move by the club. That instead it is a larger plan to move Villa forward. I think MON is good for the game today, but we were falling behind in many ways in technical development, coaching, tactics and world wide scouting. I also happen to think Sir Graham has had a rather big say in this because the board know just how much he is respected by us.
« Last Edit: September 04, 2010, 03:11:48 PM by toronto villa »

Offline barrysleftfoot

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Re: The replacement for MON...?
« Reply #3609 on: September 04, 2010, 03:10:24 PM »


  I can't see the point of Houillier being appointed, with or without KMac.

  He is 63, been out of the game for 3 yrs, out of the Prem even longer, a negligible record of management, a good reputation of developing players like Diouf, Cheroyu?

  He's not going to want the hassle/pressure of running a top prem side.

  And then theres KMac....a good up and coming manager with potential?No evidence of that, whilst he appears to be a good reserve team coach and developing players, the evidence at 1st team level suggests that he is lacking in a lot of skills, organization/formations/motivation.


  If we are looking for a good up and coming manager, then appoint McLeish/Coyle/Lambert/Martinez.


  I'd give it 1 season, and we will end up losing AYoung by the end of it.

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Re: The replacement for MON...?
« Reply #3610 on: September 04, 2010, 03:14:33 PM »
Can't help wondering if the reason why they're taking so long is because they're discussing compensation with a club?

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Re: The replacement for MON...?
« Reply #3611 on: September 04, 2010, 03:39:50 PM »
Houllier is the current technical director for the shambles that is France, so Randy thought I know let's make him football director at villa.

I just can't see it, I think Randy will get a manager in on a DoF

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Re: The replacement for MON...?
« Reply #3612 on: September 04, 2010, 03:42:47 PM »


  I can't see the point of Houillier being appointed, with or without KMac.

  He is 63, been out of the game for 3 yrs, out of the Prem even longer, a negligible record of management, a good reputation of developing players like Diouf, Cheroyu?

  He's not going to want the hassle/pressure of running a top prem side.

  And then theres KMac....a good up and coming manager with potential?No evidence of that, whilst he appears to be a good reserve team coach and developing players, the evidence at 1st team level suggests that he is lacking in a lot of skills, organization/formations/motivation.


  If we are looking for a good up and coming manager, then appoint McLeish/Coyle/Lambert/Martinez.


  I'd give it 1 season, and we will end up losing AYoung by the end of it.

Is that bit a joke?

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Re: The replacement for MON...?
« Reply #3613 on: September 04, 2010, 03:47:24 PM »
Houllier is the current technical director for the shambles that is France, so Randy thought I know let's make him football director at villa.

I just can't see it, I think Randy will get a manager in on a DoF

The technical side of France is fine. The problem with France stems from the previous manager not being fired after the last Euro's. I bet you any money that France under Blanc will be in far better shape than England in no time. They have some very good players coming through and just need to rid themselves of the indiscipline that was allowed under Domenech.

Offline barrysleftfoot

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Re: The replacement for MON...?
« Reply #3614 on: September 04, 2010, 04:01:21 PM »



  Lamberts up and coming, and i still think Martinez will be a good manager.

  But my point was IF, we go for KMac, theny why him, and not a better up and coming manager.

  Personally i would go all out for Jol/Moyes or Hiddink.

 


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