0% Villa: Benitez sacked (Confirmed p.6)

[pauliewalnuts]

if o neill does not want the l;iverpool job , he needs to issue a statement saying so otherwise this speculation will carry on and on all summer, i think if offered the liverpool job he would take it!

How can he issue a statement about a job he hasn't been offered, that is just daft.

Chris Smith today issued a statement to say that he does not want to be considered for the role of Lord Emperor of Mars.

I think you should take it if it's offered. Unless they let you work from home, obv.

Back to the point, though, there's not really much point him coming out and saying anything at this point, at least until he's directly asked about it.

FWIW, I think he's too careful in his career choices to go somewhere like Liverpool in their current position.

[Greg N'Ash]

Depends how much MON wants it if he's offered it. Last chance of a real traditional big job i'd say now his standing has dropped. neither MON or Hodgson would be in the running if they were top4

I'm sorry, but exactly how has MON's standing dropped?  I think the fact he's favourite for a job like Liverpool would say that those outside of Villa percieve him to be doing a good job here!

he's strictly in the b-list catagory john i'm afraid. if they were top4 and rolling in money, they wouldn't even mention the likes of the two favourites. if would be all foreigners. not saying thats right but there you are. as has been mentioned a few times there's very few bigger clubs than us now that MON could realistically manage with his record

In the scope of world football, then he probably is B list.  Within the domestic game I think his standing is higher, but that's just my opinion.

I think you'd have to equate the Liveropool job as it is now with Villa should Martin go.  They have more history/glamour/profile and we're better financed and run.  So with the odd variation, couldn't see Dalglish in the running for the Villa job as an example, I'd say that there would be similar names linked to us should Martin go.

All goes to show that our own views aside, he's held in a pretty high regard.

agree with most of that. i'd say since he came here, he's shown he can improve  a side to Europa league standard given good financial backing. Cant imagine that would bring in many offers from CL clubs in normal circumstances, so given that sort of club is out of his league he may be tempted to take a chance at restoring liverpool. fact remains that IF they can get a new owner to take over who will deal with the debt, their turnover and commercial operations are far in excess of what we can offer in terms of building a team

[eastie]

klinsmann, rijkaerd, hodgson,bilic, van gaal,pellegrini, van basten, magath,moyes and dalglish would all do a better job than o neill!

[Chris Smith]

do i detect chris smith you are beginning to panic at the thought of losing mr o neill?

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No.

[Concrete John]

I've mentioned this in the othe rplace but will reiterate here - i hope MON does take the Liverpool job.

I don't think he has succeeded with the resources at his disposal - both monetary and with the team - and so has been more of a hindrance than a help.

Last season we had become very predictable and at times looked laboured. our best player wasn't utilised correctly and was chopping and changing wings rather than concentrating on his own job just so the manager could accommodate Downing, to me that cost us points. the decision to have a side that lacked balnce cost us points. The fact that Terry was right - we did look as if we huffed and puffed in the last 3rd of games cost us points, making Petrov captain cost us points as it was a staement of intent that he would not be dropped and contributed to the poor balance of the team with Milner moving inside.

All in all the players we had were not managed into an effective team unit that won regularly enough. the fact that we got so close to 4th is a testament to the fact that we have good players - but a manager that isn't getting them best out fo them as a team.

Time for him to go and Liverpool are welcome to him.

Although I actually agree with some of your points, if not the conclusions you draw, lets not foeget that:-
The new defence he bought won us points.
His decision to play Milner in the centre won us points.
The development work down over the summer with Gabby won us points.

I strikes me that when you say 'more hinderance than help' you are effectively saying that anyone managing us could have got us as far as he did in three competitions.  I guess that's where we fundementally disagree.

[eastie]

there is a wide gulf of opinion between pro and anti o neill fans and never the twain shall meet.i thank him him for getting us this far but i do not have faith in him getting us any further.

[Chris Smith]

klinsmann, rijkaerd, hodgson,bilic, van gaal,pellegrini, van basten, magath,moyes and dalglish would all do a better job than o neill!

The sad thing is I think you genuinely believe it. That just appointing some bloke with a foreign name, regardless of experience, guarantees success.

[eastie]

eash to their own views mr smith , i unlike you do not believe martin can take us to the next level and think we need a change!

[Clampy]

klinsmann, rijkaerd, hodgson,bilic, van gaal,pellegrini, van basten, magath,moyes and dalglish would all do a better job than o neill!

Klinnsmann, who's only job in club management was at Bayern Munich, from which he got sacked.

Dalglish, who's last job in club management was 15 odd years ago. That would be a desperate move.

The rest you may have a point, and until MON leaves, it's a discussion for another time.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

The development work down over the summer with Gabby won us points.

If you're referring to Gabby beefing up, I recall MON being as surprised as us when he saw him. Nothing to do with MON.
If you're referring to Gabby once again improving as a player, then I agree, MON has to take some of the credit.

[Clampy]

eash to their own views mr smith , i unlike you do not believe martin can take us to the next level and think we need a change!

At least he's stopped calling him Chris Smith, like a robot.

[not3bad]

well said peter w -agreed totally! at least we wouldnt have to see his turgid brand of football , well only when liverpool visit-see how long their fans put up with such dire football!

So it's not really a case of anyone panicking because they think MON will leave, it's you arguing that MON will leave because it's wishful thinking on your part.  Sorry pal, he's going nowhere, but keep wishing away if it amuses you.

[Chris Smith]

eash to their own views mr smith , i unlike you do not believe martin can take us to the next level and think we need a change!

You can call me Chris, I don't bite.

I don't believe there is any need to change but if and when we do I would hope that we are a little more discerning than your scattergun approach.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

eash to their own views mr smith , i unlike you do not believe martin can take us to the next level and think we need a change!

You can call me Chris, I don't bite.

I don't believe there is any need to change but if and when we do I would hope that we are a little more discerning than your scattergun approach.

Chris, by the time you ever admit to needing a change of manager, you can bet laser guns will be a thing of the past. (winky)

[peter w]

I've mentioned this in the othe rplace but will reiterate here - i hope MON does take the Liverpool job.

I don't think he has succeeded with the resources at his disposal - both monetary and with the team - and so has been more of a hindrance than a help.

Last season we had become very predictable and at times looked laboured. our best player wasn't utilised correctly and was chopping and changing wings rather than concentrating on his own job just so the manager could accommodate Downing, to me that cost us points. the decision to have a side that lacked balnce cost us points. The fact that Terry was right - we did look as if we huffed and puffed in the last 3rd of games cost us points, making Petrov captain cost us points as it was a staement of intent that he would not be dropped and contributed to the poor balance of the team with Milner moving inside.

All in all the players we had were not managed into an effective team unit that won regularly enough. the fact that we got so close to 4th is a testament to the fact that we have good players - but a manager that isn't getting them best out fo them as a team.

Time for him to go and Liverpool are welcome to him.

Although I actually agree with some of your points, if not the conclusions you draw, lets not foeget that:-
The new defence he bought won us points.
His decision to play Milner in the centre won us points.
The development work down over the summer with Gabby won us points.

I strikes me that when you say 'more hinderance than help' you are effectively saying that anyone managing us could have got us as far as he did in three competitions.  I guess that's where we fundementally disagree.

I think we did as 'well' as we did in spite of MON not because of him.