Summer 2010 Transfer Thread: B*llsh*t, Rumours & Wishes

[Chris Jameson]

Just seen Heskey described as a "defensive striker"

Suppose he is in that he invariably prevents the team he is playing for from scoring.

Nuts, just realised i'm somehow in the transfer thread.

[Greg N'Ash]

Linked with Gregory van der Wiel today. Suppose it's unlikely, but he'd probably solve the long-standing right-back conundrum.

nah..MON will sign him and start with Cuellar

yep. rather spend our money elsewhere than waste any more on right-backs, unless you get a perverse pleasure from watching their careers go down the pan.

[Chris Smith]

Doyle has a better than 1 in 3 career record.

I don't have any stats to back this up, but I'm gonna hazard a guess at his prem record being not as good as 1 in 3.

Dunno but he got 9 in 33 last season which is pretty close to it and that in a side that created few chances.

Would you be happy to pay Mick McCarthy's asking price of £15m, for a goalscoring record like that?

No and if that's the price it won't happen.

[Monty]

Linked with Gregory van der Wiel today. Suppose it's unlikely, but he'd probably solve the long-standing right-back conundrum.

nah..MON will sign him and start with Cuellar

yep. rather spend our money elsewhere than waste any more on right-backs, unless you get a perverse pleasure from watching their careers go down the pan.

If you say that money has been wasted on right-backs, then you agree that we don't have a good enough right-back, I presume. If you agree that this is an area of weakness, then why not spend on it?

[spangley1812]

Linked with Gregory van der Wiel today. Suppose it's unlikely, but he'd probably solve the long-standing right-back conundrum.

nah..MON will sign him and start with Cuellar

yep. rather spend our money elsewhere than waste any more on right-backs, unless you get a perverse pleasure from watching their careers go down the pan.

If you say that money has been wasted on right-backs, then you agree that we don't have a good enough right-back, I presume. If you agree that this is an area of weakness, then why not spend on it?

We have a perfectly good right back that the manager wont pick for some reason.....he will start with Cuellar

[Greg N'Ash]

Linked with Gregory van der Wiel today. Suppose it's unlikely, but he'd probably solve the long-standing right-back conundrum.

nah..MON will sign him and start with Cuellar

yep. rather spend our money elsewhere than waste any more on right-backs, unless you get a perverse pleasure from watching their careers go down the pan.

If you say that money has been wasted on right-backs, then you agree that we don't have a good enough right-back, I presume. If you agree that this is an area of weakness, then why not spend on it?

Because he doesn't like them. since he arrived the two main players in that position have been centre halfs, so pointless expense.

[Monty]

Maybe, just maybe, he won't pick the perfectly good right-back because, having worked with him and studied him closely and consulted with his colleagues and with evidence such as Prozone, he's decided that the perfectly good right-back is actually deficient in some way, and that while we sacrifice some attacking prowess with Cuellar at right-back perhaps we add a defensive stability that outweighs the offensive benefits of playing the right-back.

Greg, that position is just without logic. "He just doesn't like them"? What does that even mean?

[Greg N'Ash]

look at his record with them Monty. would you keep buying something for someone that the person never uses? and lets face it, if a player like young on the fringes of the england set-up wasn't good enough then he's not going to find much better.

[TheSandman]

Beckford has signed for Everton.

I've got a feeling he'll do Ok there.

I reckon he will score quite a few for them. I also reckon quite a few people will be moaning at MoN for not signing him upon this event despite pretty much everyone being against the idea a year previously.

Getting on to strikers we've been linked to I'd say Gabby> Carew> Keane> Zamora> Doyle> Heskey> Cole and to be frank I'm not particularly keen on any of them we've been linked to.

I thought this van der Wiel fellow was quite good and highly thought of? Ergo we won't get him for £4million and we won't get him because he plays in Holland which is as far as MoN is concerned is a different planet.

[Monty]

look at his record with them Monty. would you keep buying something for someone that the person never uses? and lets face it, if a player like young on the fringes of the england set-up wasn't good enough then he's not going to find much better.

Not a particularly great example, as England are hardly blessed with great right-backs. As it happens, Capello has ended up having to only pick one actual right-back for his squad, so scarce is English talent in this area.

And anyway, it's not a case of buying something for someone that never uses. Nobody buys these right-backs for MON, only for him to not use them. He buys them himself, and then uses them less and less as it becomes clear that the short-term idea hadn't worked, a short-termism that many on here advocate on a lot of players. If he signed Gregory van der Wiel, or, to be flippant, Maicon, I doubt he wouldn't play them on the basis that "he doesn't like right-backs". I think that's just illogical.

[Greg N'Ash]

look at his record with them Monty. would you keep buying something for someone that the person never uses? and lets face it, if a player like young on the fringes of the england set-up wasn't good enough then he's not going to find much better.

Not a particularly great example, as England are hardly blessed with great right-backs. As it happens, Capello has ended up having to only pick one actual right-back for his squad, so scarce is English talent in this area.

Well i used it because of the market MON deals in he's not going to get much better

And anyway, it's not a case of buying something for someone that never uses. Nobody buys these right-backs for MON, only for him to not use them. He buys them himself, and then uses them less and less as it becomes clear that the short-term idea hadn't worked, a short-termism that many on here advocate on a lot of players. If he signed Gregory van der Wiel, or, to be flippant, Maicon, I doubt he wouldn't play them on the basis that "he doesn't like right-backs". I think that's just illogical.

look most people were reasonably happy with young's performances, even beye's when compared with Cuellars. MON wasn't, so a right-back being a right-back is obviously not what MON looks for in players in that position. ergo, waste of money.

[Lee]

look at his record with them Monty. would you keep buying something for someone that the person never uses? and lets face it, if a player like young on the fringes of the england set-up wasn't good enough then he's not going to find much better.

Not a particularly great example, as England are hardly blessed with great right-backs. As it happens, Capello has ended up having to only pick one actual right-back for his squad, so scarce is English talent in this area.

Well i used it because of the market MON deals in he's not going to get much better

And anyway, it's not a case of buying something for someone that never uses. Nobody buys these right-backs for MON, only for him to not use them. He buys them himself, and then uses them less and less as it becomes clear that the short-term idea hadn't worked, a short-termism that many on here advocate on a lot of players. If he signed Gregory van der Wiel, or, to be flippant, Maicon, I doubt he wouldn't play them on the basis that "he doesn't like right-backs". I think that's just illogical.

look most people were reasonably happy with young's performances, even beye's when compared with Cuellars. MON wasn't, so a right-back being a right-back is obviously not what MON looks for in players in that position. ergo, waste of money.

I can't believe that we are this far down the line and we still don't play RB's.

[Concrete John]

The fact that most of us prefer Young at RB does not mean that we're right.  Wasn't there a majority against the Dunne signing last summer?  For whatever reason MON prefers Cuellar and given how good the defence was last season, maybe he was actually right?

Personally, I've always thought too much was made of it last season and it wasn't the major problem some made it out to be!

[Monty]

MON wasn't satisfied, and it has to be said that there is far more evidence available to him in the form of data, to actually see beyond first impressions to where things really went wrong during a game. I'm not totally sure how much Luke Young really contributes to the attack, and I'm pretty certain in my own mind that Cuellar contributes more to defence than Luke does. The fact that Luke Young is pidgeon-holed as 'right-back' and Cuellar as 'centre-back' is irrelevant to data that shows that, with Cuellar at right-back instead, we defend better. It's not ideal, but for the situation it had to do, and I'm sure MON would probably admit he was wrong to invest so much in Luke Young, both financially and in squad planning. All managers make mistakes; the important thing is to recognise them and correct them.

Edit: John, totally agree.

[Clampy]

It did seem strange that he paid twice as much for Young than he needed too, but still prefers another right back in his place. That said, i thought Cuellar did the job well.