Neymar? He couldn’t have done the dribble. Only Messi of your list could have done it. Only Messi.
Quote from: The Edge on October 25, 2020, 12:07:06 PMQuote from: Risso on October 25, 2020, 11:52:33 AMI don't think it's churlish at all. I think Watkins was much better placed to score, and if he had, we might have taken something from the game. I'm not going to beat him up over it as he's obviously still far and away our best and most exciting player, but he made the wrong decision in my opinion, and increased the ammunition for numpties like Southgate.My thoughts exactly. Jack should have passed and looking back he will know this. No one is knocking him. He's adored by us but sometimes you have be honest and admit he's not quite the perfect player. Yet. And I agree about Southgate. He will feel justified with his lamentable misuse of Jack's unique talent. But as someone posted earlier Jack will outlive Southgate's tenure and hopefully a progressive coach will get the England job and utilise his special talents to the full. Sure, I don't totally disagree with this, and it's at least arguable that of the players on earth who could've done that dribble and not by accident (Messi, Hazard, Neymar, a few othrrs) Jack is the most likely to not convert the resulting chance. But then, all those other players are at superclubs; it remains amazing that Jack is still with us given our current position. Of course he should've scored or passed given the position, but I still can't stop loving that we have, not just a player who can do that, but a homegrown one-of-us iconic number 10 who can do that. It's just great.
Quote from: Risso on October 25, 2020, 11:52:33 AMI don't think it's churlish at all. I think Watkins was much better placed to score, and if he had, we might have taken something from the game. I'm not going to beat him up over it as he's obviously still far and away our best and most exciting player, but he made the wrong decision in my opinion, and increased the ammunition for numpties like Southgate.My thoughts exactly. Jack should have passed and looking back he will know this. No one is knocking him. He's adored by us but sometimes you have be honest and admit he's not quite the perfect player. Yet. And I agree about Southgate. He will feel justified with his lamentable misuse of Jack's unique talent. But as someone posted earlier Jack will outlive Southgate's tenure and hopefully a progressive coach will get the England job and utilise his special talents to the full.
I don't think it's churlish at all. I think Watkins was much better placed to score, and if he had, we might have taken something from the game. I'm not going to beat him up over it as he's obviously still far and away our best and most exciting player, but he made the wrong decision in my opinion, and increased the ammunition for numpties like Southgate.
A lot has been said about us benefiting from lack of crowd. Not a lot been said from others about it this weekend funnily enough. The way we reacted to going one down I do wonder whether if the crowd being there might have helped them react more positively.
Hopefully we beat them with ease at Ellen road later in the season.
Quote from: Risso on October 25, 2020, 11:52:33 AMI don't think it's churlish at all. I think Watkins was much better placed to score, and if he had, we might have taken something from the game. I'm not going to beat him up over it as he's obviously still far and away our best and most exciting player, but he made the wrong decision in my opinion, and increased the ammunition for numpties like Southgate.Spot on. We could have been talking about the goal of the decade and after the run he'd gone on you can see why Jack was tempted to see if he could finish it off and really make a mark. But the point is we aren't, we're talking about a 3-0 defeat. It's a team game and if someone is better placed it doesn't matter how the chance has come about, you should aim to get the ball to whoever has the most chance of burying it. I've seen Messi do just that more than once. Score that and we probably go onto win the game. And people would still be raving about the goal and Jack's part in it if he'd passed and Watkins had buried it.
Quote from: ktvillan on October 25, 2020, 03:41:36 PMQuote from: Risso on October 25, 2020, 11:52:33 AMI don't think it's churlish at all. I think Watkins was much better placed to score, and if he had, we might have taken something from the game. I'm not going to beat him up over it as he's obviously still far and away our best and most exciting player, but he made the wrong decision in my opinion, and increased the ammunition for numpties like Southgate.Spot on. We could have been talking about the goal of the decade and after the run he'd gone on you can see why Jack was tempted to see if he could finish it off and really make a mark. But the point is we aren't, we're talking about a 3-0 defeat. It's a team game and if someone is better placed it doesn't matter how the chance has come about, you should aim to get the ball to whoever has the most chance of burying it. I've seen Messi do just that more than once. Score that and we probably go onto win the game. And people would still be raving about the goal and Jack's part in it if he'd passed and Watkins had buried it. Or the keeper may have saved Ollie's shot and we go on to lose 3-0.
he's not a good enough player to deserve that much respect.
Quote from: paul_e on October 25, 2020, 09:11:33 PMhe's not a good enough player to deserve that much respect.Agreed, but he had just demonstrated his intention to throw himself on the floor looking for a penalty at any opportunity, which might have had something to do with it. He had clearly got under Mings’ skin
Quote from: FatSam on October 25, 2020, 10:18:12 PMQuote from: paul_e on October 25, 2020, 09:11:33 PMhe's not a good enough player to deserve that much respect.Agreed, but he had just demonstrated his intention to throw himself on the floor looking for a penalty at any opportunity, which might have had something to do with it. He had clearly got under Mings’ skinAgreed, I think they were scared to touch him in the box because he was desperate to go over for a penalty, still poor goals where we showed him too much respect though.