I love Ollie. He's a grafter and never gives up even when he's having a mare. Most exciting striker i've seen down Villa Park since Dwight Yorke.
Quote from: Breezeblock on January 26, 2022, 12:03:11 AMI love Ollie. He's a grafter and never gives up even when he's having a mare. Most exciting striker i've seen down Villa Park since Dwight Yorke.People should stop making comparisons with Yorke because more often than not the end result was a goal with him
Quote from: Allan C on January 26, 2022, 02:42:29 PMQuote from: Breezeblock on January 26, 2022, 12:03:11 AMI love Ollie. He's a grafter and never gives up even when he's having a mare. Most exciting striker i've seen down Villa Park since Dwight Yorke.People should stop making comparisons with Yorke because more often than not the end result was a goal with himYorke was a brilliant player for us, a unique talent, and a scorer of great goals - and he brought a lot more to the team than just his goals, but he was a VERY different player to Ollie, apart from the fact they were both forwards. However, Yorke's best-ever league goals total for us was 17, twice, in the years we finished 4th and 5th. Ollie got 14 in a team that finished 11th. Plus those disallowed by VAR that would have counted in any other year.Ollie isn't close to the level Yorke was at his best for us, but let's not rewrite history to make out Yorke was some sort of unstoppable goal machine.I think Ollie would beat Yorke's best goal-scoring year in the league if we were challenging for the top 4, but he'll never be the sort of entertaining 'get-off-your-seat' player that Yorke was.
Carew was miles better than Watkins.
On his day Carew was unplayable.
Quote from: Risso on January 26, 2022, 03:13:41 PMCarew was miles better than Watkins.But again, Carew never scored as many league goals as Ollie did last year, and Carew played in a side that finished much higher and has wingers constantly chucking balls in for him to attack. I'm not disagreeing with your point about who is/was the better player. Just that goals AND contribution to the team effort have to factor into it when it comes to assessing forwards, in the same way that goals alone counts against players like Keinan Davis.I think Ollie can be a great player for us, even in the 12-14 league goal a season range, as long as his efforts leading the line are contributing to us getting goals from elsewhere in the team. Man City walked the league last year and no one got more than 13 league goals for them. Chelsea finished 4th and qualified for the champions league and their top league scorer got 7 goals (and he was the penalty taker).A 20+ goal a season striker would be amazing, and I'd LOVE us to have one, but they're incredibly rare, and you really don't "need" one to be successful in the modern game. If your set-up is such that your attacking play means any one of five players could be on the end of an attacking move (as it seems with us right now), then I'd be perfectly happy seeing the main striker with 10-12 goals, and the other supporting attacking players getting 3 or 4 more each across the season.
pretty much this, I think you have to judge the attack as a unit when it comes to goals, if the mix of Watkins, Ings, Coutinho, Buendia, Bailey and Traore get 35-40 and we get 20ish from the rest of the team then we'll be in the mix for Europe. Our problem right now is that the whole group is behind on that target, goals from defence and midfield are fine though and I suspect we'll make that 20 easily.
there’s a lot of good things to admire about Watkins, his work ethic, he’s good for a few goals every season, good team player, and as others have said on his day he can be a real handful my biggest worry about him being a top 6 sort of striker is his touchit’s not very good and it’s not something you particularly learn it’s something you either have or don’tSure you can improve on it but you know what I mean
Lukaku has 5 league goals in 11 starts. That very obviously isn't a similar ratio to 5 goals in 17 starts.
Quote from: Risso on January 25, 2022, 11:13:29 PMLukaku has 5 league goals in 11 starts. That very obviously isn't a similar ratio to 5 goals in 17 starts. He has played 16 League games this season. 5 of those as subs. Has scored 5 goal including 3 in 2 games against us. Romelu Lukaku statsSoccer playerCHELSEAPremier LeagueYear 2021/22Matches 16Goals 5Assists 0Yellow 0Red 0