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Offline Brassneck

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Re: VAR
« Reply #645 on: October 20, 2019, 11:19:57 AM »
Let’s face it we hate VAR because every single decision has gone against us and cost us points

I wonder how we would feel if every decision had gone for us and we were sitting in the top 6

Therein lies the problem.

If they can't get it right, or at least find consistency then what is the point in it?  It is there to ensure the correct "decision" is made.  Currently, it is selective as to when it is used, inconsistent and in some cases, one person's opinion against that of another as per the Wesley challenge.  You could get 100 people to view that and I'd wager more than 50% would have seen nothing wrong with the challenge. 

I suppose Leicester may be pro VAR after yesterday and I also recall them benefiting from a decision against Wolves in their opening game.  By the end of the season though, I'm sure they will be victims of the lunacy that we've experienced.

VAR SHOULD be getting things right and we SHOULD be sitting top 6.

The point is that we aren't.  Therefore VAR is not working.  Of course we would be happy (as would every other club) if VAR actually worked in order to ensure fair play.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #646 on: October 20, 2019, 11:23:35 AM »
Let’s face it we hate VAR because every single decision has gone against us and cost us points

I wonder how we would feel if every decision had gone for us and we were sitting in the top 6

I still wouldn’t like it.

It’s causing delays and confusion and adding nothing to the game. If we have to have it then it should be for objective decisions only, offside or goal line decisions but if it was down to me we wouldn’t have it at all.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #647 on: October 20, 2019, 11:38:15 AM »
Let’s face it we hate VAR because every single decision has gone against us and cost us points

I wonder how we would feel if every decision had gone for us and we were sitting in the top 6

I still wouldn’t like it.

It’s causing delays and confusion and adding nothing to the game. If we have to have it then it should be for objective decisions only, offside or goal line decisions but if it was down to me we wouldn’t have it at all.

I tend to agree with you here

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Re: VAR
« Reply #648 on: October 20, 2019, 11:39:35 AM »
Hourihane scored just as i left my seat at half time. I met my mates for a beer only to be told it had been ruled out. Gutted. When Grealish scored i didn't even cheer as i thought it would be ruled out again. Totally spoilt it for me. I hate VAR. I don't think it adds anything to the game. It's killing the enjoyment of celebrating a goal. It has got to go.

Offline themossman

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Re: VAR
« Reply #649 on: October 20, 2019, 12:05:51 PM »
Seems to me as it did in the World Cup VAR is trying to apply bureaucratic nth degree accuracy to a dynamic and fast moving game where the rules contain a lot of fuzzy logic.

Game changing decision? Impossible to quantify. Clear error? Same.

Before VAR I felt like fans had a good grasp of what a fair offside decision looked like. A goal where a player was roughly in line would not cause any consternation and refs mostly got it right but now you’ve got nerks poring over replays to see if there was a finger tip offside.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #650 on: October 20, 2019, 12:08:14 PM »
I'm surprised that after reviewing time and time again decisions so many are given wrong

The keeper yesterday was not in control of the ball so Wesley was fully entitled to jump up for it.

Offline London Villan

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Re: VAR
« Reply #651 on: October 20, 2019, 12:11:31 PM »
Offside used to be "daylight" between the defender and the forward didn't it. Not half a toe, as measured by some badly drawn lines.

As has been pointed out in the thread - it's coming down to one refs opinion vs another in too many instances.

Offline ChicagoLion

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Re: VAR
« Reply #652 on: October 20, 2019, 01:20:05 PM »
It sucks. Football is supposed to be about entertainment and escapism.
It’s been replaced by VAR induced anxiety.

Offline PeterWithesShin

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Re: VAR
« Reply #653 on: October 20, 2019, 01:29:24 PM »
I was in favour of VAR but I'm currently against it as I think it's being used incorrectly. Has nothing to do with decisions going against us it's the fact that they are so often, imo, incorrect decisions. If Wesley had for example handled the ball and VAR chalked it off, fair enough. At least you can be confident that if the opposition score that way it will be chalked off. All VAR seems to be doing is chalking stuff off, often for things that aren't "clear and obvious", meanwhile it's not giving numerous nailed on penalties. So if it isn't getting blatant decisions right so often, what's the point of it, sides are still feeling aggrieved at obvious and poor decisions.

The delays were a pain in the WWC but at least it was pretty much always getting the decisions right even if it was for a toe nail being offside, in part because the refs would go to the monitors and weren't worried about over ruling their initial decision. I don't think there's been one case yet in the PL of a ref going to the monitor to have a second look.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #654 on: October 20, 2019, 02:08:48 PM »
Offside used to be "daylight" between the defender and the forward didn't it. Not half a toe, as measured by some badly drawn lines.

As has been pointed out in the thread - it's coming down to one refs opinion vs another in too many instances.

It hasn't been that for donkeys. However the benefit used to go to the attacker and having a part of a head or foot slightly forward seems to be going the other way.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #655 on: October 20, 2019, 02:16:00 PM »
I was in favour of VAR but I'm currently against it as I think it's being used incorrectly. Has nothing to do with decisions going against us it's the fact that they are so often, imo, incorrect decisions. If Wesley had for example handled the ball and VAR chalked it off, fair enough. At least you can be confident that if the opposition score that way it will be chalked off. All VAR seems to be doing is chalking stuff off, often for things that aren't "clear and obvious", meanwhile it's not giving numerous nailed on penalties. So if it isn't getting blatant decisions right so often, what's the point of it, sides are still feeling aggrieved at obvious and poor decisions.

The delays were a pain in the WWC but at least it was pretty much always getting the decisions right even if it was for a toe nail being offside, in part because the refs would go to the monitors and weren't worried about over ruling their initial decision. I don't think there's been one case yet in the PL of a ref going to the monitor to have a second look.

You're right, not one referee has used the pitchside monitors to review a decision this season. When you see some of the ridiculous decisions that are given, it makes me think it's a problem with referees not wanting to be proved wrong. The Wesley decision yesterday was incorrect and the decision not to give Watford a penalty yesterday was even more ridiculous. The referee should be ordered to use the pitchside monitors when it's so obviously wrong.

I don't object to VAR in principle but the "clear and obvious" criteria is being used very selectively and that has to stop.

Offline Villatillidie25

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« Reply #656 on: October 20, 2019, 02:21:07 PM »
Nail. On. Head.
Safe to say, VAR is here to stay but it’s current guise is dreadful. Either use it for clear and obvious (at which point it should be the ref making the decision by going to monitors and such like) or define it so it can only be for clear errors (offside, handball).
Our only complaint with VAR should be that it takes a bit of time (ala World Cup) or that on some few occasions goals get chalked off (ala augero goal v spurs in champs league). We shouldn’t be having conversations about the validity of the actual decision

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Re: VAR
« Reply #657 on: October 20, 2019, 02:45:54 PM »
Yesterday there in no way the infield Ref should have accepted reversal of his decision from remote Ref. It was subjective and as others have said he should have gone to the PSM and had a look himself. A clear and obviously VAR fail.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #658 on: October 20, 2019, 03:21:51 PM »
I've just watched MOD and saw the Wolves game, I know there have been law changes but after the goal for Wolves that was disallowed for offside, am I correct that that the referee allowed the game to re-start.  I know for fact that once a game had been re-started after a goal has been scored, then that goal stood and nothing could be done about it.  Can anyone tell me has this been changed?

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Re: VAR
« Reply #659 on: October 20, 2019, 03:36:04 PM »
Yesterday the Ref waited to kick off till VAR reached made a decision on “Wesley foul”. And for Jack’s equaliser most of us celebrated after BHA kicked off. So if you ask the audience the answer is once the ref has blown for KO it’s done.

 


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