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Offline Ad@m

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1710 on: December 06, 2020, 06:26:09 PM »
If fans can't control their anger at the sound of a ref explaining his decision then they deserve the shambles we've currently got.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1711 on: December 06, 2020, 06:33:50 PM »
... I think all games should be reviewed and serious foul play identified and players cited and punished. This should include a review of what might already have been ruled by the match official on the day.
It would quickly be evident to players and clubs that they will not get away with serious foul play and games will improve quickly as they will not want to risk missing games. The review panel can include players and coaches as well as referees/former referees - in part because former players have insight to offer and also because it might limit some of the moaning from lazy pundits looking for easy comments to spout ...
I agree with the idea of reviews and citations. Clearly, there would need to be explicit boundaries but the concept of messaging to all that certain behaviours (serious foul play, serial diving, etc) are unacceptable would be a useful antidote to those very behaviours.
The review board would need to include referees and recent ex-players.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1712 on: December 06, 2020, 07:01:33 PM »
I honestly can't see how micing up the ref wouldn't lead to making football grounds and crowds even more volatile. I'm a placid man, if I see a goose I'm more likely to nip back to the car to get the bag of emergency bird feed I keep in the glove box for just such occasions than I am to say 'boo' to it, but all that gets the afternoon off at the Villa. If you think that my opinion of the w****r in the black is going to be improved by my getting to listen to why he's f***ing wrong AGAIN, then you're as mistaken as he usually is.

Why does it work so well in other sports then? You may not agree with the decision, but at least you'll have "some" idea of why a decision has been made.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1713 on: December 06, 2020, 09:00:51 PM »
I'm pretty sure I've said it before but if not then I'm firmly of the opinion that VAR can't work until the ref is mic'ed up and the audio is available in the ground. Getting the pictures onto the big screen would be even better. That should've always been a core part of the process. If they're concerned about bad language from players being picked up then how about they actually uphold the rules of showing the referee some respect and give yellow cards for it. If swearing at the ref gets you booked then you either learn not to do it or you spend a lot of time on the sidelines.

On that topic I think football could really do with a sin bin system because the amount of players who'll ignore the rules until they get a yellow is far too high.

Offline Pat Mustard

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« Reply #1714 on: December 07, 2020, 09:23:43 AM »
We can pussy-foot around VAR as much as we like, saying it needs to be used for this, offside laws need to be changes to accommodate it etc.  For me, the biggest single problem with the whole thing is that as long as it is in use you can never properly celebrate a goal - I don't care if I can hear what the ref is saying afterwards, when Villa score I want to be able to go mad and we honestly can't at the moment.  Whilst fans aren't in the ground it's bad enough, but once we are back it's going to be awful.

Stick with goal-line technology and that is as far as it needs to go.  The rest of it is just bullshit and is ruining the spectacle.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1715 on: December 07, 2020, 09:50:53 AM »
Agree 100% Pat.
The instinctive reaction of celebrating a goal, a penalty award in Villa's favour even an opposition sending off is missing from my enjoyment of the game at the moment making football as a live spectacle on the tv and at the ground (when football returns to VP) a hollow experience that can only really be reacted to on a 5 minute delay basis. That is not football as I know it.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1716 on: December 07, 2020, 12:57:25 PM »
I wonder what referees want, do they think it helps to have a colleague look over a decision that there not sure of,only to tell them to go back and look at the small monitor and decide.  Just to add to the confusion the baggies had a player sent off yesterday for what appeared a marginal offence even after the ref had reviewed it on the pitch monitor crazy.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1717 on: December 07, 2020, 01:10:52 PM »
West Ham fans crying on Twitter has to be the sweetest bit of irony you’ll see this weekend.

Which is exactly why there is zero chance of ever ridding the game of VAR now, game is so tribal that when a call goes against a team the fans are up in arms but as we saw with PornoDwarfFC last week when you benefit from the call all is happy & justify the VAR. 

PS I thought the same sweet irony too :-)

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1718 on: December 07, 2020, 01:44:02 PM »
Oh remember the days of a set of fans celebrating a goal only to have to stop  a couple of seconds later when they spot the linesman's flag and duly getting a load back from their opponents?

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1719 on: December 07, 2020, 03:52:08 PM »
I wonder what referees want, do they think it helps to have a colleague look over a decision that there not sure of,only to tell them to go back and look at the small monitor and decide.  Just to add to the confusion the baggies had a player sent off yesterday for what appeared a marginal offence even after the ref had reviewed it on the pitch monitor crazy.

This is another reason why refs should be mic'd up.

I also thought it was a harsh red, but if you heard a discussion between the on field ref and the VAR it might bring some clarity.  That has the twin benefit of explaining that decision, and educating people where rules are open to interpretation.

When Premier League managers routinely give interviews where they say things like "I don't think anyone knows what's a penalty anymore" you know the system is fucked.
« Last Edit: December 07, 2020, 04:30:58 PM by Ad@m »

Offline CT Villan

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1720 on: December 07, 2020, 04:25:05 PM »
Now I don't completely understand the VAR technology but how does Stockley Park determine the exact moment the ball is kicked when adjudging offsides ?

Feels like it is somewhat subjective, but has a large impact over the decision when looking at tiny fractions of a second. We are entirely focused on the body positions of the players involved and I never hear any comments on the accuracy of the timing of the pass that created the controversy.

Personally, I'd like to see a 'green-zone' that extends say 6" back behind the defender in which no offsides are given. Should speed up decisions significantly and stop (most of) the bad decisions.

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« Reply #1721 on: December 07, 2020, 05:18:03 PM »
It is totally subjective. The precise moment the boot touches the ball is the kick not the moment the ball leaves the boot. It’s assumed, making the blue and yellow lines they use redundant because if you are going to guess the one you may as well guess the other.

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« Reply #1722 on: December 07, 2020, 08:23:06 PM »
It is totally subjective. The precise moment the boot touches the ball is the kick not the moment the ball leaves the boot. It’s assumed, making the blue and yellow lines they use redundant because if you are going to guess the one you may as well guess the other.
It's the elephant in the room. The exact moment when the ball is passed has to be known precisely before they start drawing stupid bloody lines on the screen. When someone at Stockley Park suggested the lines on the screen why on earth didn't one of these so called experts ask this simple question "before we start drawing lines on the screens to pinpoint a toenail offside how are we going to to know the precise moment when the ball leaves the passing players boot?" Seems so bloody obvious to me and I've been banging on about it since the first time I saw them using their silly lines.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1723 on: December 07, 2020, 09:43:03 PM »
It is totally subjective. The precise moment the boot touches the ball is the kick not the moment the ball leaves the boot. It’s assumed, making the blue and yellow lines they use redundant because if you are going to guess the one you may as well guess the other.
It's the elephant in the room. The exact moment when the ball is passed has to be known precisely before they start drawing stupid bloody lines on the screen. When someone at Stockley Park suggested the lines on the screen why on earth didn't one of these so called experts ask this simple question "before we start drawing lines on the screens to pinpoint a toenail offside how are we going to to know the precise moment when the ball leaves the passing players boot?" Seems so bloody obvious to me and I've been banging on about it since the first time I saw them using their silly lines.
The lines are the pseudo-science of VAR offside.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1724 on: December 07, 2020, 09:58:45 PM »
It is totally subjective. The precise moment the boot touches the ball is the kick not the moment the ball leaves the boot. It’s assumed, making the blue and yellow lines they use redundant because if you are going to guess the one you may as well guess the other.
It's the elephant in the room. The exact moment when the ball is passed has to be known precisely before they start drawing stupid bloody lines on the screen. When someone at Stockley Park suggested the lines on the screen why on earth didn't one of these so called experts ask this simple question "before we start drawing lines on the screens to pinpoint a toenail offside how are we going to to know the precise moment when the ball leaves the passing players boot?" Seems so bloody obvious to me and I've been banging on about it since the first time I saw them using their silly lines.
The lines are the pseudo-science of VAR offside.
I had to check the definition tbh. You're spot on 

 


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